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It might be fun to share some of our favorite registrations.  I have always been a believer that "less is more", so for my first example of a personal favorite registration:  

8' Orch Oboe
4' Solo Tibia

This is a classic theatre organ sound that is suitable for quiet, haunting melodies.
Joe
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I'll try it later today.Thanks

Eugene 'Don' Hayek
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It might be fun to share some of our favorite registrations.  I have always been a believer that "less is more", so for my first example of a personal favorite registration:  

8' Orch Oboe
4' Solo Tibia

This is a classic theatre organ sound that is suitable for quiet, haunting melodies.
Joe
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As more are added, maybe they could be compiled to a file.
 
Rgds,
Ed
 
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I'll try it later today.Thanks

Eugene 'Don' Hayek
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Miditzer 216, John Tay SF ranks
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Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 4:51 AM

It might be fun to share some of our favorite registrations.  I have always been a believer that "less is more", so for my first example of a personal favorite registration:  

8' Orch Oboe
4' Solo Tibia

This is a classic theatre organ sound that is suitable for quiet, haunting melodies.
Joe
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Rgds,
Ed
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engrssc wrote:
As more are added, maybe they could be compiled to a file.
Good idea. Ed.  Once we have enough registrations posted, I will happily accumulate them and upload the document to our archive site.
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There are times when  I hear a neat registration somewhere during a piece, maybe just a few notes as an embellishment. Not only is it head to describe where it was, but more than often the organist has forgotten what he or she used. Unless a MIDI recording, in including registrations is made, it's hard to find. On the MidiTzer demos, you can actually "look over the shoulder" of the organist, even stop the performance at that "special" point and observe the actual stops drawn (at least for the most part). I find that very useful but haven't explored enough to know how Jim Henry did that. If we could have those types of files, that would be fantastic not to mention a real educational tool.
 
Any thoughts?
 
 
Rgds,
Ed
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Good idea.  Wherever possible though, the registration for accompaniment might be included if you have one that is an especially complimentay to the solo.  I find myself sort of in a rut sometimes by relying primarily on 8ft diap, a string voice or 2 and a vox.  With all the great voices we have now, I know that isn't all there is.
   I went back to using the Vox-Stereo from the old TPO ranks rather than the HVO vox-stereo because to me it has a more breathy quality.  I don't think it is my imagination and I do like the voxes.

Dan Rowland


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It might be fun to share some of our favorite registrations.  I have always been a believer that "less is more", so for my first example of a personal favorite registration:  

8' Orch Oboe
4' Solo Tibia

This is a classic theatre organ sound that is suitable for quiet, haunting melodies.
Joe
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One of my favorites"

Single note melody only, middle of the keyboard

16 Tibia Clausa
16 Vox
16 Contra Viole
8 Vox
4 Tibia Clausa
2 2/3 Tibia Clausa

OR
played an octave lower on the keyboard
8 Tibia Clausa
8 Vox
8 Violin
4 Vox
2 Tibia Clausa
1 1/3 Tibia Clausa


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Very nice Don.  Practically the same setting is on a piston on our Wurlitzer in the Dendy Theatre - Brighton.  It sounds beautiful.
 
Here's another one for yuz....
 
Play single note melody (works best with a legato style) in the tenor octave.
4' Octave
4' Piccolo (Tibia)
2-2/3' Twelfth (Tibia)
2' Piccolo (Tibia)
1-3/5' Tierce (Tibia)
Trems
 
This gives a sound somewhat reminiscent of a Compton 'Melotone' unit.  I've heard this used on a number of English theatre organ recordings and I've seen and heard Ashley Miller use it in 1982 on a Compton and yes, I've used in concert myself.
I've always found this an interesting registration because it 'bends' the rules of scientific registration.  It breaks the rules of nature just a little.  The Tibias are ok because you can practically use any combination of them and it usually works for 'something'.  However, the inclusion of the 4' Octave is technically the odd man out because it does not have 1-3/5' as a natural harmonic.  In the tenor octave the 4' Octave adds a certain definition of tone and a little weight to the registration. You might also notice that it's similar (but not the same) as the classical 'Cornet'.  1-3/5' added to the tone always results in a certain 'reediness'.  You could turn the trems off and use it in a straight piece which requires some variation of an 8' (Synthetic) Oboe tone. 
However, I like it with trems on used in the manner I describe.
 
If you want a couple of pieces to try it out on, try it on 'Mighty Lak A Rose' playing the melody very legato.
It also works well in the bridge section of "Knightsbridge March" from The London Suite by Eric Coates.  In that instance the melody of that section is in the key of F and kicks off from tenor C.
 
Fergie
 
 
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One of my favorites"

Single note melody only, middle of the keyboard

16 Tibia Clausa
16 Vox
16 Contra Viole
8 Vox
4 Tibia Clausa
2 2/3 Tibia Clausa

OR
played an octave lower on the keyboard
8 Tibia Clausa
8 Vox
8 Violin
4 Vox
2 Tibia Clausa
1 1/3 Tibia Clausa
Fergie
Don Hayek

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Fergie, this is great trading combos and I hope others will contribute.

I'm putting together a bitmap of some of mine and thanks for this. I tried it just now and it is for sure a special sound I will use for many tunes. I'll add it to my favorites in this list I'm creating, and post it here, if you don't mind. The other guys and gals should get lots of use out of these. Joe started it off with that unique sound we all love and now it's a great time to document and change what I've been doing. Attached are the two quickly made up speadsheets I made in paint. Later I can also add some accompanyment combos to try out.

Don H
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And here's one for the 216 in case a larger place is needed to put details in. BTW the 15 boxes across only represent the 15 of 16 of the HX-1 Yamaha presets. For me 16 is blank so that the J Tayor other system  can play alone. They may have other uses.

Don H


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Hi Don
 
Glad you liked it, I find it a useful sound at times.
Feel free to post it wherever you like. Unless this stuff is spoken about, the art is lost.
 
The registration charts are a good idea too.
 
Here's another:
Reginald Dixon used to use this combination sometimes for slow waltzes around the tempo of 90.  Again, it needs to be played legato and is as smooth as velvet.  Single notes please.
 
It's very simple:  Tibias 16', 3-1/5' and 4'. Plus Tibia Trem of course.
 
For 216 users: Tibias 8', 1-3/5' and 2'. Sub-Octave coupler and Unison off.  Tibia Trem.
That will give exactly the same sound on either model of Miditzer.
 
I've used that for pieces such as 'Always'.
 
Best if you stick to single notes, it gets a bit 'rugged' if you play chords.  Occasionally double notes can be used in the top octave but its main use is just for a nice 'syrupy' single-note melody line.  I've used it on pipes and naturally you can use it on any decent virtual organ, home-built or commercially built.
 
Fergie
 
 
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Fergie, this is great trading combos and I hope others will contribute.

I'm putting together a bitmap of some of mine and thanks for this. I tried it just now and it is for sure a special sound I will use for many tunes. I'll add it to my favorites in this list I'm creating, and post it here, if you don't mind. The other guys and gals should get lots of use out of these. Joe started it off with that unique sound we all love and now it's a great time to document and change what I've been doing. Attached are the two quickly made up speadsheets I made in paint. Later I can also add some accompanyment combos to try out.

Don H
Less+Is+More+Combinations216.bmpLess+Is+More+Combinations+260.bmp
Fergie
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John Ferguson wrote:
Here's another:
Reginald Dixon used to use this combination sometimes for slow waltzes around the tempo of 90.  Again, it needs to be played legato and is as smooth as velvet.  Single notes please.

It's very simple:  Tibias 16', 3-1/5' and 4'. Plus Tibia Trem of course.

For 216 users: Tibias 8', 1-3/5' and 2'. Sub-Octave coupler and Unison off.  Tibia Trem.
That will give exactly the same sound on either model of Miditzer.

I've used that for pieces such as 'Always'.

Best if you stick to single notes, it gets a bit 'rugged' if you play chords. ...
Fergie,

This is a perfect example of a 'less-is-more' registration.  I just tried it, loved it, and immediately set a piston to keep it handy.
Joe
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Here is another favorite.  It is a very full strings combination.  Note how well the Vox fits in with the strings.  This combination works well with chords in the right hand.

Great
  8' Salicional
  8' Violin
  8' Viol Celeste
  8' Vox Humana
  4' Violin
  4' Viol Celeste
  2' 15th
 16' SUB coupler
  4' OCT coupler

Accomp
  8' Diapason
  8' Viol Celeste
  8' Flute
  8' Vox Humana
  Harp

Pedal
 16' Salicional
  8' Diapason
  8' Tibia
  8' Salicional
  8' Cello
  8' Flute

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Hi Joe
 
Glad you can use that one.
I forgot to mention that the same registration also works in octaves especially if you want a 'thicker' sound.
 
What I mean is that on the 260SP, use Tibias 16, 3-1/5, 4', Tibia Trem and the Octave coupler.  Don't dare play chords :)
On the 216, use Tibias 8', 1-3/5', 2', Tibia Trem and Sub-Octave coupler.  (If the Unison Off is in the down position, lift it up).
 
Both registrations will make exactly the same sound.
 
Players probably wouldn't want to use the above registration for huge 'chunks' of music but maybe for an 8-bar or 16-bar section of a piece and then contrast it with another registration in other parts of the same piece.
 
For the non-professionals, a couple of tips:
Many songs are made of four 8-bar sections known loosely as 'Song Form'.  You could call them A, A, Bridge, A.
The 'A' sections are basically the same melody notes generally with a slight change to make the ending for the piece.  There might be little changes in the timing but basically those 'A' sections are very similar.
The simplest approach is to use the same registration for the 'A' sections and a completely different registration for the 'Bridge' section.
 
Remember to try to match the registration to the character of the music also.
Blazing Trumpets and Post Horns are fine for marches etc. but maybe not quite what is required for a love song where Tibias, Voxes, light reeds and Strings might be more appropriate.  Do what George Wright did, read the words of a song and work out what the song is all about. Then think about what type of tone (there could be several) that would suit the character of the music you are about to play.
 
There are many approaches to getting a good sound.  Remember that a single-note melody is great when used for one section of a song contrasted with double notes or right hand chords and a change of registration in another part of the same piece.
 
I've noticed that many people are often afraid of changing stops or hitting a piston as they are playing.  Until you know a piece of music like the back of your hand, all stop/piston changes need to be practised as much as the music itself.  I also find it a 'must' to look at whatever it is that you are going to change, be it a stop or a piston, BEFORE you hit it.  To use a golfing term, "Keep your eye on the ball".  In our case, "Keep your eye on whatever it is that you are going to change".
Do this a couple of beats, or a bar, before you need to change it.
 
Those are just a couple of thoughts to start you thinking.
 
Have a look at Don Springer's site for some great theatre organ registration ideas too.
 
Have fun
Fergie
 
 
 
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John Ferguson wrote:
Here's another:
Reginald Dixon used to use this combination sometimes for slow waltzes around the tempo of 90.  Again, it needs to be played legato and is as smooth as velvet.  Single notes please.

It's very simple:  Tibias 16', 3-1/5' and 4'. Plus Tibia Trem of course.

For 216 users: Tibias 8', 1-3/5' and 2'. Sub-Octave coupler and Unison off.  Tibia Trem.
That will give exactly the same sound on either model of Miditzer.

I've used that for pieces such as 'Always'.

Best if you stick to single notes, it gets a bit 'rugged' if you play chords. ...
Fergie,

This is a perfect example of a 'less-is-more' registration.  I just tried it, loved it, and immediately set a piston to keep it handy.
Joe
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A nice shimmering sound Joe.  I find that the more notes I play in the right hand with this one, the better it sounds.
Your Accomp is interesting without the 8' Viol, the 8' Diapason gives the reg a bit more body.
 
Fergie
 
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Here is another favorite.  It is a very full strings combination.  Note how well the Vox fits in with the strings.  This combination works well with chords in the right hand.

Great
  8' Salicional
  8' Violin
  8' Viol Celeste
  8' Vox Humana
  4' Violin
  4' Viol Celeste
  2' 15th
 16' SUB coupler
  4' OCT coupler

Accomp
  8' Diapason
  8' Viol Celeste
  8' Flute
  8' Vox Humana
  Harp

Pedal
 16' Salicional
  8' Diapason
  8' Tibia
  8' Salicional
  8' Cello
  8' Flute

Joe
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John Ferguson wrote:
I've noticed that many people are often afraid of changing stops or hitting a piston as they are playing.  Until you know a piece of music like the back of your hand, all stop/piston changes need to be practised as much as the music itself.  I also find it a 'must' to look at whatever it is that you are going to change, be it a stop or a piston, BEFORE you hit it.  To use a golfing term, "Keep your eye on the ball".  In our case, "Keep your eye on whatever it is that you are going to change".
A handy feature found on Yamaha HX-1 organs (and perhaps other models as well) is the ability to increment the active piston using a switch mounted on the swell pedal.   If you arrange the registrations for a song or medley in the order they will be needed, then you can simply tap the foot switch to engage the next combination.  This works especially well if you take advantage of MidiTzer's ability to map these pistons as generals.  See: Mapping Pistons
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