FWD Re: [Gdal-dev] GDAL on koders.com

[Markus Neteler-3]

Hi all,

I was recently wondering if we want to add GRASS at Koders.com, too.
GDAL has decided to do so.

Opinions, legal implications?

Markus

On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 10:10:16AM -0500, Frank Warmerdam wrote:

> Folks,
>
> Apprently I submitted GDAL to the koders.com "code search" web site.  They
> report:
>
> """
> Hello, Frank Warmerdam
>
> We'd like to inform you that we've added the GDAL project to our index.  
> Some helpful tips are below:
>
> 1) Enter GDAL into the Koders search box and you will be able to browse and
> search your project by clicking on its name in the list to the right.
>
> 2) Here is the direct link to the project:
> http://koders.com/info.aspx?c=ProjectInfo&pid=RNTRP1H6RPT2UALTHTDUP3ZYWE
>
> 3) To add a search box that is scoped to this project only, follow the
> instructions at this link:
>
> http://www.koders.com/info.aspx?c=tools#Scoped
>
> We are moving to a weekly update cycle, so any future submissions will be
> applied to our index within 7 days. Thank you for your submission and
> continued support.
>
> Regards,
> The Koders Team
> """
>
> I see GeoTools, OSSIM, openscenegraph, OGDI and a few other community
> projects
> are also in their code search database.  Perhaps folks will find it a useful
> capability.
>
> Best regards,
> --
> ---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------
> I set the clouds in motion - turn up   | Frank Warmerdam,
> [hidden email]
> light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
> and watch the world go round - Rush    | President OSGeo, http://osgeo.org
>
>

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Via Sommarive, 18        -       38050 Povo (Trento), Italy

[Helena Mitasova]

Markus Neteler wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I was recently wondering if we want to add GRASS at Koders.com, too.
> GDAL has decided to do so.
>  
that is a really nice place, especially if you want to look at the code
> Opinions, legal implications?
>  
let us wait few days, maybe explore the site and hear others and if
there are no objections I
would add it (aren't there any special conditions that the code should
fulfill before
being placed there?

Helena

> Markus
>
> On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 10:10:16AM -0500, Frank Warmerdam wrote:
>  
>> Folks,
>>
>> Apprently I submitted GDAL to the koders.com "code search" web site.  They
>> report:
>>
>> """
>> Hello, Frank Warmerdam
>>
>> We'd like to inform you that we've added the GDAL project to our index.  
>> Some helpful tips are below:
>>
>> 1) Enter GDAL into the Koders search box and you will be able to browse and
>> search your project by clicking on its name in the list to the right.
>>
>> 2) Here is the direct link to the project:
>> http://koders.com/info.aspx?c=ProjectInfo&pid=RNTRP1H6RPT2UALTHTDUP3ZYWE
>>
>> 3) To add a search box that is scoped to this project only, follow the
>> instructions at this link:
>>
>> http://www.koders.com/info.aspx?c=tools#Scoped
>>
>> We are moving to a weekly update cycle, so any future submissions will be
>> applied to our index within 7 days. Thank you for your submission and
>> continued support.
>>
>> Regards,
>> The Koders Team
>> """
>>
>> I see GeoTools, OSSIM, openscenegraph, OGDI and a few other community
>> projects
>> are also in their code search database.  Perhaps folks will find it a useful
>> capability.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> --
>> ---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------
>> I set the clouds in motion - turn up   | Frank Warmerdam,
>> [hidden email]
>> light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
>> and watch the world go round - Rush    | President OSGeo, http://osgeo.org
>>
>>
>>    
>
>  

--
Helena Mitasova
Department of Marine, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences
North Carolina State University
1125 Jordan Hall
NCSU Box 8208
Raleigh, NC 27695-8208
http://skagit.meas.ncsu.edu/~helena/

email: [hidden email]
ph: 919-513-1327 (no voicemail)
fax [phone]

[Michael Barton]

I quickly looked at the site. Is this an alternative source repository
mirror?

Michael
__________________________________________
Michael Barton, Professor of Anthropology
School of Human Evolution & Social Change
Center for Social Dynamics and Complexity
Arizona State University

phone: [phone]
fax: [phone]
www: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton

> From: Helena Mitasova <[hidden email]>
> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:12:17 -0500
> To: GRASS developers list <[hidden email]>, GRASS-PSC
> <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [GRASS-PSC] Re: [GRASS-dev] FWD Re: [Gdal-dev] GDAL on koders.com
>
> Markus Neteler wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was recently wondering if we want to add GRASS at Koders.com, too.
>> GDAL has decided to do so.
>>  
> that is a really nice place, especially if you want to look at the code
>> Opinions, legal implications?
>>  
> let us wait few days, maybe explore the site and hear others and if
> there are no objections I
> would add it (aren't there any special conditions that the code should
> fulfill before
> being placed there?
>
> Helena
>> Markus
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 10:10:16AM -0500, Frank Warmerdam wrote:
>>  
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Apprently I submitted GDAL to the koders.com "code search" web site.  They
>>> report:
>>>
>>> """
>>> Hello, Frank Warmerdam
>>>
>>> We'd like to inform you that we've added the GDAL project to our index.
>>> Some helpful tips are below:
>>>
>>> 1) Enter GDAL into the Koders search box and you will be able to browse and
>>> search your project by clicking on its name in the list to the right.
>>>
>>> 2) Here is the direct link to the project:
>>> http://koders.com/info.aspx?c=ProjectInfo&pid=RNTRP1H6RPT2UALTHTDUP3ZYWE
>>>
>>> 3) To add a search box that is scoped to this project only, follow the
>>> instructions at this link:
>>>
>>> http://www.koders.com/info.aspx?c=tools#Scoped
>>>
>>> We are moving to a weekly update cycle, so any future submissions will be
>>> applied to our index within 7 days. Thank you for your submission and
>>> continued support.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> The Koders Team
>>> """
>>>
>>> I see GeoTools, OSSIM, openscenegraph, OGDI and a few other community
>>> projects
>>> are also in their code search database.  Perhaps folks will find it a useful
>>> capability.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> --
>>> ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------
>>> --
>>> I set the clouds in motion - turn up   | Frank Warmerdam,
>>> [hidden email]
>>> light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
>>> and watch the world go round - Rush    | President OSGeo, http://osgeo.org
>>>
>>>
>>>    
>>
>>  
>
>
> --
> Helena Mitasova
> Department of Marine, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences
> North Carolina State University
> 1125 Jordan Hall
> NCSU Box 8208
> Raleigh, NC 27695-8208
> http://skagit.meas.ncsu.edu/~helena/
>
> email: [hidden email]
> ph: 919-513-1327 (no voicemail)
> fax [phone]
>
> _______________________________________________
> grass-psc mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://grass.itc.it/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc

[HamishB]

Helena Mitasova wrote:
> aren't there any special conditions that the code should fulfill
> before being placed there?

"By submitting this form, I certify that to the best of my knowledge
this project and/or the repository on which it resides does not contain
any proprietary or other source code which is not intended to be
accessed by internet users for free and without restriction."

"Copyright Information
This website and all its contents Copyright 2005, Koders Inc.
All Rights Reserved."


beyond that it is very light on legal details AFAICT beyond claiming no
control or responsibility to what it "links" to (indexes would be better
word for what it does).

http://www.koders.com/info.aspx?c=company/termsofservice
http://www.koders.com/info.aspx?c=company/privacy


Hamish

[Markus Neteler-3]

This copyright statement was preventing me from already uploading
it some time ago: "all its contents Copyright ..."
I don't know if they intentially wrote it but of course a
copyright transfer doesn't happen like that. So I don't know
- if this legally holds true in any case
- if GPL'ed code is affected

The other GIS projects do not seem to see a problem
apparently.

Markus


On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 06:57:11PM +1300, Hamish wrote:

> Helena Mitasova wrote:
> > aren't there any special conditions that the code should fulfill
> > before being placed there?
>
> "By submitting this form, I certify that to the best of my knowledge
> this project and/or the repository on which it resides does not contain
> any proprietary or other source code which is not intended to be
> accessed by internet users for free and without restriction."
>
> "Copyright Information
> This website and all its contents Copyright 2005, Koders Inc.
> All Rights Reserved."
>
>
> beyond that it is very light on legal details AFAICT beyond claiming no
> control or responsibility to what it "links" to (indexes would be better
> word for what it does).
>
> http://www.koders.com/info.aspx?c=company/termsofservice
> http://www.koders.com/info.aspx?c=company/privacy
>
>
> Hamish

[Scott Mitchell-3]

On 16 Nov 2006, at 2:29, Markus Neteler wrote:

> This copyright statement was preventing me from already uploading
> it some time ago: "all its contents Copyright ..."
> I don't know if they intentially wrote it but of course a
> copyright transfer doesn't happen like that. So I don't know
> - if this legally holds true in any case
> - if GPL'ed code is affected
>
> The other GIS projects do not seem to see a problem
> apparently.
>
> Markus
>

It all looks good to me except for that copyright confusion, which  
seems to come down to imprecise definition of "contents" versus  
"linked material":

"This website and all its contents Copyright 2005, Koders Inc.
All Rights Reserved."

... could someone argue that "all contents" includes code?  I doubt  
it, and it certainly seems to be to conflict with their denial of  
liability:

"Content Linked to by Koders
The sites displayed as search results or linked to by Koders Services  
are developed by people over whom Koders exercises no control. The  
search results that appear from Koders's indices are indexed by  
Koders's automated machinery and computers, and Koders cannot and  
does not screen the sites before including them in the indices from  
which such automated search results are gathered." (from the terms of  
service)

So it SEEMS fine to me from that point of view, BUT I'm not a lawyer,  
and have no idea what a lawyer would think, nor whether, as Markus  
suggests, maybe the language wouldn't be enough to be interpreted as  
a transfer of copyright anyway.

Frank, are you still on this list?  Did you pursue this at all from a  
GDAL/OGR point of view?

Cheers,

Scott

>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 06:57:11PM +1300, Hamish wrote:
>> Helena Mitasova wrote:
>>> aren't there any special conditions that the code should fulfill
>>> before being placed there?
>>
>> "By submitting this form, I certify that to the best of my knowledge
>> this project and/or the repository on which it resides does not  
>> contain
>> any proprietary or other source code which is not intended to be
>> accessed by internet users for free and without restriction."
>>
>> "Copyright Information
>> This website and all its contents Copyright 2005, Koders Inc.
>> All Rights Reserved."
>>
>>
>> beyond that it is very light on legal details AFAICT beyond  
>> claiming no
>> control or responsibility to what it "links" to (indexes would be  
>> better
>> word for what it does).
>>
>> http://www.koders.com/info.aspx?c=company/termsofservice
>> http://www.koders.com/info.aspx?c=company/privacy
>>
>>
>> Hamish
>
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[Dylan Beaudette]

On Wednesday 15 November 2006 23:29, Markus Neteler wrote:

> This copyright statement was preventing me from already uploading
> it some time ago: "all its contents Copyright ..."
> I don't know if they intentially wrote it but of course a
> copyright transfer doesn't happen like that. So I don't know
> - if this legally holds true in any case
> - if GPL'ed code is affected
>
> The other GIS projects do not seem to see a problem
> apparently.
>
> Markus
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 06:57:11PM +1300, Hamish wrote:
> > Helena Mitasova wrote:
> > > aren't there any special conditions that the code should fulfill
> > > before being placed there?
> >
> > "By submitting this form, I certify that to the best of my knowledge
> > this project and/or the repository on which it resides does not contain
> > any proprietary or other source code which is not intended to be
> > accessed by internet users for free and without restriction."
> >
> > "Copyright Information
> > This website and all its contents Copyright 2005, Koders Inc.
> > All Rights Reserved."
> >
> >
> > beyond that it is very light on legal details AFAICT beyond claiming no
> > control or responsibility to what it "links" to (indexes would be better
> > word for what it does).
> >
> > http://www.koders.com/info.aspx?c=company/termsofservice
> > http://www.koders.com/info.aspx?c=company/privacy
> >
> >
> > Hamish
>
> _______________________________________________
> grass-psc mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://grass.itc.it/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc

Markus, others:

I looked over www.koders.com and it looks to be quite a nice resource. Before
committing I think that following Helena's advice for another couple of days
might be wise.

Cheers,

--
Dylan Beaudette
Soils and Biogeochemistry Graduate Group
University of California at Davis
530.754.7341

[Frank Warmerdam]

Scott Mitchell wrote:
> So it SEEMS fine to me from that point of view, BUT I'm not a lawyer,
> and have no idea what a lawyer would think, nor whether, as Markus
> suggests, maybe the language wouldn't be enough to be interpreted as a
> transfer of copyright anyway.
>
> Frank, are you still on this list?  Did you pursue this at all from a
> GDAL/OGR point of view?

Scott,

I did not look into any of this.  To be honest, I only very dimly remember
possibly having submitted GDAL to the koders.com web site.

Copyright cannot be assigned at the click of a button so I don't see that
there is any risk  of an impact on the GDAL code.  If the concern remains,
just have someone with no special rights over the GRASS code do the
submission.

Best regards,
--
---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------
I set the clouds in motion - turn up   | Frank Warmerdam, [hidden email]
light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
and watch the world go round - Rush    | President OSGeo, http://osgeo.org

[Massimiliano Cannata]

Frank Warmerdam wrote:

> Scott Mitchell wrote:
>> So it SEEMS fine to me from that point of view, BUT I'm not a lawyer,
>> and have no idea what a lawyer would think, nor whether, as Markus
>> suggests, maybe the language wouldn't be enough to be interpreted as
>> a transfer of copyright anyway.
>>
>> Frank, are you still on this list?  Did you pursue this at all from a
>> GDAL/OGR point of view?
>
> Scott,
>
> I did not look into any of this.  To be honest, I only very dimly
> remember
> possibly having submitted GDAL to the koders.com web site.
>
> Copyright cannot be assigned at the click of a button so I don't see that
> there is any risk  of an impact on the GDAL code.  If the concern
> remains,
> just have someone with no special rights over the GRASS code do the
> submission.
>
> Best regards,

I'm not an expert of legal issues, but if the things that came out from
this discussion are true (no way for koders.com to claim any copyrigth
on the code) I agree with the submission.
I think it can help in GRASS diffusion.
Massimiliano

--

Dr. Eng. Massimiliano Cannata
Responsabile Area Geomatica
Istituto Scienze della Terra
Scuola Universitaria Professionale della Svizzera Italiana
Via Trevano, c.p. 72
CH-6952 Canobbio-Lugano
Tel: [phone]
Fax [phone]

[Markus Neteler-2]

On 11/17/06, Frank Warmerdam <[hidden email]> wrote:
...
> Copyright cannot be assigned at the click of a button so I don't see that
> there is any risk  of an impact on the GDAL code.  If the concern remains,
> just have someone with no special rights over the GRASS code do the
> submission.

This is a nice idea - an independent person should submit it.

Markus

[Michael Barton]

Given all the discussion, I also think that this is a good idea.

Michael
__________________________________________
Michael Barton, Professor of Anthropology
School of Human Evolution & Social Change
Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
Arizona State University

phone: [phone]
fax: [phone]
www: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton

> From: Massimiliano Cannata <[hidden email]>
> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:58:00 +0100
> To: GRASS-PSC <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [GRASS-PSC] Re: [GRASS-dev] FWD Re: [Gdal-dev] GDAL on koders.com
>
> Frank Warmerdam wrote:
>> Scott Mitchell wrote:
>>> So it SEEMS fine to me from that point of view, BUT I'm not a lawyer,
>>> and have no idea what a lawyer would think, nor whether, as Markus
>>> suggests, maybe the language wouldn't be enough to be interpreted as
>>> a transfer of copyright anyway.
>>>
>>> Frank, are you still on this list?  Did you pursue this at all from a
>>> GDAL/OGR point of view?
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> I did not look into any of this.  To be honest, I only very dimly
>> remember
>> possibly having submitted GDAL to the koders.com web site.
>>
>> Copyright cannot be assigned at the click of a button so I don't see that
>> there is any risk  of an impact on the GDAL code.  If the concern
>> remains,
>> just have someone with no special rights over the GRASS code do the
>> submission.
>>
>> Best regards,
>
> I'm not an expert of legal issues, but if the things that came out from
> this discussion are true (no way for koders.com to claim any copyrigth
> on the code) I agree with the submission.
> I think it can help in GRASS diffusion.
> Massimiliano
>
> --
>
> Dr. Eng. Massimiliano Cannata
> Responsabile Area Geomatica
> Istituto Scienze della Terra
> Scuola Universitaria Professionale della Svizzera Italiana
> Via Trevano, c.p. 72
> CH-6952 Canobbio-Lugano
> Tel: [phone]
> Fax [phone]
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> grass-psc mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://grass.itc.it/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc

[Brad Douglas]

On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 13:40 -0500, Scott Mitchell wrote:

> On 16 Nov 2006, at 2:29, Markus Neteler wrote:
>
> > This copyright statement was preventing me from already uploading
> > it some time ago: "all its contents Copyright ..."
> > I don't know if they intentially wrote it but of course a
> > copyright transfer doesn't happen like that. So I don't know
> > - if this legally holds true in any case
> > - if GPL'ed code is affected
> >
> > The other GIS projects do not seem to see a problem
> > apparently.
> >
> > Markus
> >
>
> It all looks good to me except for that copyright confusion, which  
> seems to come down to imprecise definition of "contents" versus  
> "linked material":
>
> "This website and all its contents Copyright 2005, Koders Inc.
> All Rights Reserved."
>
> ... could someone argue that "all contents" includes code?  I doubt  
> it, and it certainly seems to be to conflict with their denial of  
> liability:
>
> "Content Linked to by Koders
> The sites displayed as search results or linked to by Koders Services  
> are developed by people over whom Koders exercises no control. The  
> search results that appear from Koders's indices are indexed by  
> Koders's automated machinery and computers, and Koders cannot and  
> does not screen the sites before including them in the indices from  
> which such automated search results are gathered." (from the terms of  
> service)
>
> So it SEEMS fine to me from that point of view, BUT I'm not a lawyer,  
> and have no idea what a lawyer would think, nor whether, as Markus  
> suggests, maybe the language wouldn't be enough to be interpreted as  
> a transfer of copyright anyway.

I finally got some time to read the statements and they look completely
reasonable to me.  They hold no copyright on linked projects/code --
only their interface.


--
Brad Douglas <rez touchofmadness com>                    KB8UYR/6
Address: 37.493,-121.924 / WGS84    National Map Corps #TNMC-3785

[Markus Neteler-2]

On 11/17/06, Markus Neteler <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On 11/17/06, Frank Warmerdam <[hidden email]> wrote:
> ...
> > Copyright cannot be assigned at the click of a button so I don't see that
> > there is any risk  of an impact on the GDAL code.  If the concern remains,
> > just have someone with no special rights over the GRASS code do the
> > submission.
>
> This is a nice idea - an independent person should submit it.

Update:
A friend of mine has submitted GRASS to koders.com today.
She will keep me informed if they ask any questions (she won't be
able to answer them since she doesn't know GRASS).

Markus

[Maciej Sieczka - old]

Markus Neteler wrote:

> Update:
> A friend of mine has submitted GRASS to koders.com today.
> She will keep me informed if they ask any questions (she won't be
> able to answer them since she doesn't know GRASS).

Being curios I looked into the koders.com a while ago and could not
find any track of GRASS there. Did we resigne or something didn't work?

Maciek

[Markus Neteler-3]

On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 10:46:27PM +0100, Maciej Sieczka wrote:
> Markus Neteler wrote:
>
> > Update:
> > A friend of mine has submitted GRASS to koders.com today.
> > She will keep me informed if they ask any questions (she won't be
> > able to answer them since she doesn't know GRASS).
>
> Being curios I looked into the koders.com a while ago and could not
> find any track of GRASS there. Did we resigne or something didn't work?

Something didn't work. I suggest that someone else submits it
again.

Markus

[Maciej Sieczka - old]

Markus Neteler wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 10:46:27PM +0100, Maciej Sieczka wrote:
>> Markus Neteler wrote:
>>
>>> Update:
>>> A friend of mine has submitted GRASS to koders.com today.
>>> She will keep me informed if they ask any questions (she won't be
>>> able to answer them since she doesn't know GRASS).
>> Being curios I looked into the koders.com a while ago and could not
>> find any track of GRASS there. Did we resigne or something didn't work?
>
> Something didn't work. I suggest that someone else submits it
> again.

Not a GRASS project member, right?

Maciek

[Markus Neteler-2]

On 2/22/07, Maciej Sieczka <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Markus Neteler wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 10:46:27PM +0100, Maciej Sieczka wrote:
> >> Markus Neteler wrote:
> >>
> >>> Update:
> >>> A friend of mine has submitted GRASS to koders.com today.
> >>> She will keep me informed if they ask any questions (she won't be
> >>> able to answer them since she doesn't know GRASS).
> >> Being curios I looked into the koders.com a while ago and could not
> >> find any track of GRASS there. Did we resigne or something didn't work?
> >
> > Something didn't work. I suggest that someone else submits it
> > again.
>
> Not a GRASS project member, right?

Preferably not.

Markus

[Maciej Sieczka - old]

Hi,

A friend of mine will do it. But we are not sure what to put for
"Connect String" at
http://www.koders.com/info.aspx?c=Forms/SubmitProject. Is it the set of
commands to fetch the GRASS 6 from CVS, or the link to where the
instruction is given (http://grass.itc.it/download/index.php#cvs), else?

Maciek

[Markus Neteler-3]

On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:05:19AM +0100, Maciej Sieczka wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A friend of mine will do it. But we are not sure what to put for
> "Connect String" at
> http://www.koders.com/info.aspx?c=Forms/SubmitProject. Is it the set of
> commands to fetch the GRASS 6 from CVS, or the link to where the
> instruction is given (http://grass.itc.it/download/index.php#cvs), else?

This is the connection string:

cvs -z3 -d:pserver:[hidden email]:/home/grass/grassrepository co -P grass6

I'll update our web page for that.
Markus

[Maciej Sieczka - old]

Markus Neteler wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:05:19AM +0100, Maciej Sieczka wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> A friend of mine will do it. But we are not sure what to put for
>> "Connect String" at
>> http://www.koders.com/info.aspx?c=Forms/SubmitProject. Is it the set of
>> commands to fetch the GRASS 6 from CVS, or the link to where the
>> instruction is given (http://grass.itc.it/download/index.php#cvs), else?
>
> This is the connection string:
>
> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:[hidden email]:/home/grass/grassrepository co -P grass6
>
> I'll update our web page for that.

Thanks to Mateusz GRASS is back on koders.com:

http://www.koders.com/info.aspx?c=ProjectInfo&pid=43B43LPYNXCC4K8PGELQYTZR5A

Thank you Mateusz!

Maciek