Diocesan attitude to GAFCON

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Gordon Cheng
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What has been the response of people in Melbourne Diocese to GAFCON?

Do the Melbourne reps have the goodwill of the archbishop and regional bishops?
solapanel.org <--- Matthias Media blog including GAFCON reports.
ingmarhingwah.blogspot.com <--- Personal blog including chuck steak recipe.
Jereth
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The answer to your first question is: in most cases complete apathy, in some cases mild interest, and in a very few cases intense interest. The reality is that even at St. Judes, where our own Vicar has gone to GAFCON, most of the laity don't know the issues, are uninformed about what is happening in the wider anglican communion, and don't really give a hoot anyway. People are congregationalists at the end of the day. That's my reading of the temperature down here.

I understand that the Archbishop met with Melbourne's 5 delegates to pray with them before they left for Jerusalem. However I have also heard heresay reports that the reponse among regional bishops has been a mix of ambivalance and hostility. None of that is particularly surprising.
Andrew Reid
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If any of the GAFCON reps read this before you depart, give us a wave as you fly home!
The conference has been the subject of much prayer within the region as well as without.
God bless,
Andrew & Helen Reid
Jenny George
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*wave* This last day has been a bit overwhelming. Lots has happened but despite the incredibly gruelling days and uncertainty at times, I've had a wonderful time meeting brothers and sisters from all over the world. The theological statement that has come out is exciting too.
wei-han
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Wave! I'm in London, exhausted. Just posted on the blog.

Thank you so much for your prayers - I think most if not all of us at the conference were very conscious of the prayers of the saints back home in each of our 25 countries!  Lots of simply miraculous things happened to get everyone there, and then once we were there lots more had to happen to make the conference run as it did.

I noticed there was a lot of sickness around, so please keep praying for us!

in Christ
Gordon Cheng
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Thanks for your reports and involvement, Jenny, w-h and others. It will be great to see how this is followed up in various places.
solapanel.org <--- Matthias Media blog including GAFCON reports.
ingmarhingwah.blogspot.com <--- Personal blog including chuck steak recipe.
Jereth
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I was very thankful to read the GAFCON statement last night. It is a wonderful answer to prayer.

I thought the main points were:
- calling sin sin
- calling a false gospel a false gospel
- acknowledging the declining relevance of the archbishop of Cantebury
- a strong doctrinal declaration which upholds Scripture, the creeds and the 39 Articles as well as central biblical doctrines and marriage
- rejection of false churches
- establishing a new fellowship, but not schisming the church

This will be very good for the Anglican church, for the kingdom of God, and the cause of the gospel and faithful Christian mission. Conservatives and orthodox believers have every right to remain Anglican, and indeed reform the Anglican church from within, as we have not changed our historic beliefs -- it is the liberal revisionists who have started a new religion.

I also think GAFCON will help protect conservatives in Australia, should the revisionist winds ever begin to blow more strongly in our own country.

All glory to Christ!
wei-han
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Actually the main feel of the conference is that the Lord is working wonderfully to bring people to faith and grow them and help faithful people persevere in faith all over the world.  It was an incredibly positive conference from that point of view. And our comments about the wonder of our corporate worship cannot be expressed more strongly!


Gordon Cheng
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In today's Age...

More home truths

IT IS easy to be deluded into thinking the world is defined by conference resolutions, when you have just had an "invigorating" time. This reflection is reinforced by Archbishop Jensen's article. Our colleague has yet to communicate directly with us other Anglican bishops, so we cannot help him see the down-side of his post-conference rhetoric; the effect on Anglicans who have to explain this negative publicity to friends and colleagues; the unintentional devaluing of how faithful souls seek to love God and neighbour in our parishes and agencies; the diminishing of faithful Anglicans in committed relationships across the spectrum; the potential danger to vulnerable young people, conflicted about their sexuality, threatened by homophobia; and the fact that people looking for "good news" hope the church might help to prevent violence, look after casualties in a deteriorating economy and provide God's grace and peace in communities of the faithful.

I have spent much of the week trying to comfort and encourage people in my region. By comparison with some of the Sydney Archbishop's examples, at least I am not trying to simultaneously care for folk on another continent.

Bishop Philip Huggins, northern and western region, Anglican Diocese of Melbourne
Okayyy... so I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here, and guess that Philip will not be appearing on the list of GAFCON signatories.
solapanel.org <--- Matthias Media blog including GAFCON reports.
ingmarhingwah.blogspot.com <--- Personal blog including chuck steak recipe.
Jereth
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Bishop Huggins does raise some important questions:

Peter Jensen has taken some actions that will have monumental impact on global Anglicanism. Will he now come back to Australia and explain to other bishops, church leaders and ordinary laypeople what he has done? And not just those in Sydney -- they're already on board with him (presumably).

Will Jensen come down to Victoria (and other states) and brief us on the GAFCON declaration and what it means for us?

I think he owes that to us. I mean, unless the GAFCON movement somehow hits a brick wall (which doesn't seem likely) his actions will surely affect us at some stage in the future.
jane churchland
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Jereth wrote:
Will Jensen come down to Victoria (and other states) and brief us on the GAFCON declaration and what it means for us?
Jereth,
Peter Jensen was not the only person at GAFCON. Surely it is more important that we find avenues to listen to our Melbourne delegates, who presumably have between them a more focused idea of how the Jerusalem conference, the declaration, and the proposed forward action relates to our particular situation?
Matt Williams
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Brothers and Sisters,

I could be wrong, but I thought Abp Jensen was going on from Jerusalem to a conference in England. I'm not sure if he's even home yet or not, so we could give him a bit of a break! I've only just arrived back in Melbourne and am feeling pretty trashed. I don't think he necessarily 'owes' us a visit in Melbourne (though I know he will speak with his episcopal colleagues in due course), indeed he may defer to Abp Freier's judgement on whether he needs to visit at all.

I'm surprised, given his commitment to ecumenical concerns, that Bishop Huggins should imply fault in Abp Jensen's care for people outside his own region. Bishop Philip of all people would understand that you have to stand with people in order to be able to make a positive contribution to unity and contribute to forging the basis of that unity. I have made no secret of my disappointment that Sydney (and many African) bishops are not attending Lambeth for the same reasons; but in part Sydney's non-attendance at Lambeth was perceived necessary to their standing with the GAFCON primates.

Most of the people whose stories of pain we have been listening to are orthodox Anglo-Catholics (i.e. Bishop Philip's ecclesiological cousins) who have been effectively stranded without regular pastoral oversight, indeed find themselves persecuted by their own 'shepherds' because of their orthodoxy. What bishop, particularly one with such a pastoral heart as Bishop Huggins, could turn their back on that? I can only assume he doesn't really understand what those people are experiencing.

I don't want to diminish whatever pain and confusion has been felt by people in Melbourne's northern suburbs, but I wager it would not be of quite the same order. It is one thing to be embarrassed by members of your family, it is quite another order of pain to be thrown out of the family altogether and stripped of everything you had: at that point the consolation of a few second cousins prepared to stand with you is some salve even if the heads of your own family won't recognise you.

I would also like to point out that GAFCON hardly talked about homosexuality at all. The conversation focussed on the underlying theological issues that have shaped the theology in TEC and Canada in such radical divergence from anything recognisably biblical, orthodox, reformed, evangelical or catholic that we cannot even find a common ground for conversation with them any more. Endorsement of homosex was repeatedly sidelined as only an un-spinnable symptom of a broader theological malaise; indeed it was often lamented that this issue should appear to be central, affecting as it does a group of people with need for significant pastoral sensitivity.

Finally, I would like to make clear that Abp Jensen's contribution was overwhelmingly gracious and positive. It was clear he was actively seeking to both support persecuted brothers and sisters in North America while avoiding any construal or structuring of that support that would ripple divisions into other parts of the communion: noble twin aims if ever there were some.

As I said, I have made no secret of my own disappointment in the Sydney bishops' decisions to boycott Lambeth and in the setting up of GAFCON as pre-Lambeth. But there was another kind of wisdom there which I only perceived after watching events unfold at GAFCON: GAFCON was going to happen with or without Sydney; and by standing with those African brothers and sisters the Sydney leadership was able to bring their considerable theological and strategic acumen to bear on forging a positive way forward that minimised global disruption and restrained pastorally damaging rhetoric. Without their full involvement the outcome would, I am sure, have been a lot worse, regarding all the things that concern Bishop Philip in our own region. With all due respect to Bishop Philip, I think the Sydney bishops deserve less criticism and more credit from their Australian episcopal colleagues.

Blessings
Matt
Jereth
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Absolutely Jane, there is no question that we need to hear from our Melbourne delegates. I have already spoken privately to one of them about what transpired during the conference and look forward to further opportunities. I would expect and hope that some kind of public event is organised where Melbourne Anglicans can hear from and interact with all 5 of our GAFCON delegates.

However I also feel that it is important for Jensen, as one of the prime movers of the GAFCON movement, to come and address us. As Bishop Huggins implies, it is partly an issue of accountability -- if he is seeking to take the church in a particular direction which will create some amount of friction with other Anglican leaders (as clearly comes through in Huggins' letter to the Age), then Jensen must explain himself directly to us. After all, did not Jensen (along with the Archbishops of Uganda and the Southern Cone) go all the way to London to address the church there -- when clearly there were in fact plenty of Poms at GAFCON?

I am concerned that if Jensen doesn't feel comfortable enough to come and speak to people in Melbourne (and Perth, and Adelaide, and Brisbane, etc.) we will see a situation develop where an increasing rift will develop between Sydney diocese and the rest of Australian Anglicanism. It will be perceived that "Sydney = GAFCON / FOCA" while the rest of Australia isn't. But if Jensen can come and speak to us here, then Melburnians sympathetic to FOCA will have a chance to confront whether they too are part of this new movement of revival (which has been variously compared to the Protestant Reformation, the evangelical revival and the Anglo-Catholic revival).

cheers
Jereth
Jenny George
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For those interested, the Melbourne GAFCON delegates are going to be involved in a number of things over the coming few weeks and months.

July 13, 6pm, St Alfred's Blackburn North (currently meeting in the main hall at Old Orchard Primary School in Blackburn North while building is underway): talk by Wei-Han and me during the service with time for questions afterwards

We are also hoping to write articles for the Melbourne Anglican as well as the CMS Victoria newsletter.

There may well be other opportunities as well but next Sunday night is probably the best one in the near future.
jane churchland
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Thanks Jenny... I don't know if I'll be able to get to Blackburn North(!!!!), but I'll look into it.

<Quote: From July TMA letters>

Misleading description
A letter in the June edition of The Melbourne Anglican listed the names of people from Melbourne who had indicated their intention to attend the so-called 'GAFCON' meeting in Jordan and described themselves as 'delegates' from the Diocese.

Such a description is grossly misleading. The GAFCON meeting has no status in the Anglican Communion and any attending from Melbourne are there as individuals and certainly have not been appointed by the Diocese.

In contrast, the Lambeth Conference is an official organ of the Communion and the Bishops of the Diocese will be there representing us at this important gathering in the life of the Church.

 Robert Fordham
Australian Representative
Anglican Consultative Council




The tone of this letter (not even deigning to name people involved) seems like a pretty pissed off 'putting in their place'. But maybe I'm not reading it correctly. I am a little confused though.

My understanding is that Archbishop Freier met and prayed with the 'delegates' before their departure... seemingly recognizing and blessing their participation, if nothing stronger. Are we to understand that Jenny, Wei-Han, Justin and Richard C & T have unwarrantably arrogated responsibility to themselves in taking the label 'delegates'? Elsewhere I read the bishop of Newcastle saying that Peter Jensen's involvement in GAFCON was NOT undertaken in his role as Archbishop of Sydney (and hence Metropolitan of NSW) but as a private individual, or, just possibly, as Bishop of Sydney. Maybe I'm just naive but I don't really understand what the bluster is intended to achieve. Any light?
Jereth
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Matt Williams wrote:
I could be wrong, but I thought Abp Jensen was going on from Jerusalem to a conference in England. I'm not sure if he's even home yet or not, so we could give him a bit of a break! I've only just arrived back in Melbourne and am feeling pretty trashed. I don't think he necessarily 'owes' us a visit in Melbourne (though I know he will speak with his episcopal colleagues in due course), indeed he may defer to Abp Freier's judgement on whether he needs to visit at all.
Welcome home Matt and others! Thanks for your great efforts over the last 1-2 weeks -- our prayers have been with you. I wish you all a good rest so that you can recover your stamina!

Perhaps I shouldn't have said that Peter Jensen "owes" us a visit; however, I do think that (once he is well rested himself!) it would be highly desirable for him to deliver the GAFCON message around Australia, and indeed "launch" the new FOCA movement here. Again, not that I doubt the competence of other Australian delegates -- by no means. But if Jensen is a leading figure in the new FOCA, as is clearly the case, then he would seem to have a responsibility to keep carrying the flag in his home country, as he has done in Jerusalem and England.
Matt Williams
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Hi Jane,

I think the confusion is over the word 'delegates'. Etymologically it originates from the idea of being delegated - that is, someone who has been commissioned to go somewhere. More modern parlance just uses it to refer to the people who are attending a conference, and I think it was more in that sense the word was being used.

If the etymological sense applies, it is only that the parts of the communion who were involved in GAFCON issued invitations to the people who attended, thus delegating the responsibility for considering the issues involved and the best way forward to those people invited. They included a smattering of people from across Australia.

In no sense, however, were the Melbourne 'delegates' claiming to be commissioned to attend by the Diocese of Melbourne; and Abp Freier's meeting with them was not initiated by him but by them in order to explain what they were doing and why. They were the GAFCON delegates who happened to be from Melbourne Diocese to bring that particular perspective to bear on the proceedings; but not delegated by Melbourne Diocese.

Thanks for raising it, it is good to clear up confusion like that.

Blessings
Matt
Matt Williams
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Hey Jereth,

I have my doubts, brother, I suspect any movement in Melbourne launched by someone from Sydney is likely to be over before it's begun!

M
Alex Milner
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Hi Jereth, I think it would be much stronger and more effective to hear from the Melbourne delegates themselves.  They are all (or at least used to be ;)) very articulate and personable.

Kind regards
Alex
Jereth
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Matt Williams wrote:
I have my doubts, brother, I suspect any movement in Melbourne launched by someone from Sydney is likely to be over before it's begun!
<sigh> this interstate rivalry and suspicion is childish.