Developer meeting II - Wednesday, Oct 7 @3:00 ET

[Charles Schmidt (MITRE)]

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When: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:00 PM-3:30 PM (GMT-06:00) Central Time (US & Canada).

Where: telecon

 

Note: The GMT offset above does not reflect daylight saving time adjustments.

 

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

 

Hello everyone,

 

It looks like the most workable time for everyone will be to hold the next XCCDF developer meeting on Wednesday, October 7 at 3:00 PM (ET). Dial in information is below. We will be discussing explicit references to checking system versions in this call. A discussion of this feature has already begun on the mailing list, so please feel free to contribute insights/concerns ahead of the meeting.

 

We look forward to another productive discussion.

 

Thanks,

Charles Schmidt

The MITRE Corp.

 

--------

 

Date/Time:  October 07, 2009 at 03:00 PM America/New_York

Length:     90  (minutes)

 

Meeting ID: 014760

 

TO ATTEND THE AUDIO CONFERENCE:

 

Dial 703-983-6338 (x36338) from the Washington DC region.

Dial 781-271-6338 (x16338) from the Bedford, MA region.

Toll Free number 866-648-7367 (866-MITRE-MP)

 

TO ATTEND THE MeetingPlace Collaboration CONFERENCE:

 

1. Go to: http://audioconference.mitre.org/a/6c2873c3a8340faef94e69fe4d955cd9

2. Click on Attend Meeting.

   - Accept any security warnings you receive and wait for the Meeting Room to initialize.

3. If MeetingPlace Collaboration Window does not automatically open, press connect.

       

 

 

TEST YOUR BROWSER BEFORE YOU ATTEND YOUR FIRST WEB CONFERENCE

 

Visit http://audioconference.mitre.org to test your web browser for compatibility with the web conference. Follow

this link to the browser test link on the page.

 

 

 

[Charles Schmidt (MITRE)]

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Hello again,

 

It looks like the format of the last calendar event was such that about half of the responses end up getting sent to the list as a whole. To cut down on the chatter, I have attached an iCalendar that should fix the problem. If you wish to respond, please respond using the attached iCalendar instead of my original message.

 

Sorry about this.

 

Charles

 

-----Original Appointment-----
From: Schmidt, Charles M. [[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 12:13 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Developer meeting II - Wednesday, Oct 7 @3:00 ET
When: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:00 PM-3:30 PM (GMT-06:00) Central Time (US & Canada).
Where: telecon

 

 

 

Hello everyone,

 

It looks like the most workable time for everyone will be to hold the next XCCDF developer meeting on Wednesday, October 7 at 3:00 PM (ET). Dial in information is below. We will be discussing explicit references to checking system versions in this call. A discussion of this feature has already begun on the mailing list, so please feel free to contribute insights/concerns ahead of the meeting.

 

We look forward to another productive discussion.

 

Thanks,

Charles Schmidt

The MITRE Corp.

 

--------

 

Date/Time:  October 07, 2009 at 03:00 PM America/New_York

Length:     90  (minutes)

 

Meeting ID: 014760

 

TO ATTEND THE AUDIO CONFERENCE:

 

Dial 703-983-6338 (x36338) from the Washington DC region.

Dial 781-271-6338 (x16338) from the Bedford, MA region.

Toll Free number 866-648-7367 (866-MITRE-MP)

 

TO ATTEND THE MeetingPlace Collaboration CONFERENCE:

 

1. Go to: http://audioconference.mitre.org/a/6c2873c3a8340faef94e69fe4d955cd9

2. Click on Attend Meeting.

   - Accept any security warnings you receive and wait for the Meeting Room to initialize.

3. If MeetingPlace Collaboration Window does not automatically open, press connect.

 

 

 

TEST YOUR BROWSER BEFORE YOU ATTEND YOUR FIRST WEB CONFERENCE

 

Visit http://audioconference.mitre.org to test your web browser for compatibility with the web conference. Follow

this link to the browser test link on the page.

 

 

 

 

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[Flippen, Benoit C]

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Please don’t let anyone send out an Outlook meeting request using the email list as the originating address in the future. I really don’t care to receive everybody’s participation statuses as if I organized the meeting.

Thanks,

Benoit Flippen, GSEC
SRA International, Inc.
Security Assessment Services Tech. Lead
Monitoring & Incident Response Division (MIRD),
DS/SI/CS Department of State - Bureau of Diplomatic Security
1801 North Lynn Street, Arlington, VA 22209
Phone: [phone]
E-Mail: [hidden email] or [hidden email]

-----Original Appointment-----
From: Schmidt, Charles M. [[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:13 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Developer meeting II - Wednesday, Oct 7 @3:00 ET
When: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:00 PM-4:30 PM (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada) - Updated for 2007.
Where: telecon

Hello everyone,

 

It looks like the most workable time for everyone will be to hold the next XCCDF developer meeting on Wednesday, October 7 at 3:00 PM (ET). Dial in information is below. We will be discussing explicit references to checking system versions in this call. A discussion of this feature has already begun on the mailing list, so please feel free to contribute insights/concerns ahead of the meeting.

 

We look forward to another productive discussion.

 

Thanks,

Charles Schmidt

The MITRE Corp.

 

--------

 

Date/Time:  October 07, 2009 at 03:00 PM America/New_York

Length:     90  (minutes)

 

Meeting ID: 014760

 

TO ATTEND THE AUDIO CONFERENCE:

 

Dial 703-983-6338 (x36338) from the Washington DC region.

Dial 781-271-6338 (x16338) from the Bedford, MA region.

Toll Free number 866-648-7367 (866-MITRE-MP)

 

TO ATTEND THE MeetingPlace Collaboration CONFERENCE:

 

1. Go to: http://audioconference.mitre.org/a/6c2873c3a8340faef94e69fe4d955cd9

2. Click on Attend Meeting.

   - Accept any security warnings you receive and wait for the Meeting Room to initialize.

3. If MeetingPlace Collaboration Window does not automatically open, press connect.

       

 

 

TEST YOUR BROWSER BEFORE YOU ATTEND YOUR FIRST WEB CONFERENCE

 

Visit http://audioconference.mitre.org to test your web browser for compatibility with the web conference. Follow

this link to the browser test link on the page.

 

 

 

[Joe_Wulf]

Some javascript/style in this post has been disabled (why?)

Currently, the mailing list is addressed to (at least in the public “To:” line) “Multiple recipients of list”.  Which is good in that it hides email address of all the recipients.  But, makes it a bit more difficult to sort visually in the inbox to find THIS list entries when actively looking for them.  There are other mailing lists which are addressed the same way, thus making it even more difficult to find the one I’m looking for at any given time.

 

Would the mailing list owners/moderators consider a change that will clearly identify this mailing list as a natural part of the subject line?  Such as “[xccdf-dev_nist.gov]” would be very distinctive and facilitate the visual (and outlook rule setting) sorting.

 

R,
-Joe Wulf, CISSP, RHCT, VCP, USN(RET)
 Senior IA Engineer
 ProSync Technology Group, LLC
 www.prosync.com
 [phone]  office
 [phone]  fax
 [phone]  personal cell

[Richard Haas]

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FWIW .... and normally I would have sent this just to Joe, but since his reply address is unavailable ...  :-)

After more than half a decade of running a mailing list server, for tens of thousands of members and hundreds to thousands of mailing lists, it has been repeatedly demonstrated that obscuring the sending address, or automatically replacing the From address with the list Reply address, is generally unwise.   The miniscule extra thought/intent on the part of posters having to "reply all", when they wish their response to be seen by the list, pales in comparison to the oddities which arise when the sender address is obscured.

This has been shown to be true even when some particular vendor's self-serving ideas about how RFC 822/2822 email addresses might be manipulated in internal proprietary calendaring functions (Exchange/Outlook) are not routinely exposed to the rest of the world, but certainly when that does occur -- as demonstrated here.  :-)

--

 Richard A. Haas, Senior Systems Engineer --  [hidden email]

 NASA Glenn Research Center  --  DB Consulting Group, Inc.

--

On Oct 5, 2009, at 9:12 AM, Joe_Wulf wrote:

Currently, the mailing list is addressed to (at least in the public “To:” line) “Multiple recipients of list”.  Which is good in that it hides email address of all the recipients.  But, makes it a bit more difficult to sort visually in the inbox to find THIS list entries when actively looking for them.  There are other mailing lists which are addressed the same way, thus making it even more difficult to find the one I’m looking for at any given time.

 

Would the mailing list owners/moderators consider a change that will clearly identify this mailing list as a natural part of the subject line?  Such as “[xccdf-dev_nist.gov]” would be very distinctive and facilitate the visual (and outlook rule setting) sorting.

 

R,
-Joe Wulf, CISSP, RHCT, VCP, USN(RET)
 Senior IA Engineer
 ProSync Technology Group, LLC
 www.prosync.com
 [phone]  office
 [phone]  fax
 [phone]  personal cell

[Charles Schmidt (MITRE)]

Hello all,

It seems that not only are about half the mail clients resending meeting responses to the whole list, but about half of the resent messages cause Outlook to hang when viewed.

The meeting for Wednesday is still on, but ****PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THE INVITE****.

I apologize for precipitating this mess and will utilize different technologies in the future.

Charles

>-----Original Message-----
>From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>Schmidt, Charles M.
>Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:00 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list
>Subject: RE: Developer meeting II - Wednesday, Oct 7 @3:00 ET
>
>Hello again,
>
>It looks like the format of the last calendar event was such that about
>half of the responses end up getting sent to the list as a whole. To cut
>down on the chatter, I have attached an iCalendar that should fix the
>problem. If you wish to respond, please respond using the attached
>iCalendar instead of my original message.
>
>Sorry about this.
>
>Charles
>
>-----Original Appointment-----
>From: Schmidt, Charles M. [mailto:[hidden email]]
>Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 12:13 PM
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: Developer meeting II - Wednesday, Oct 7 @3:00 ET
>When: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:00 PM-3:30 PM (GMT-06:00) Central
>Time (US & Canada).
>Where: telecon
>
>
>
>Hello everyone,
>
>It looks like the most workable time for everyone will be to hold the
>next XCCDF developer meeting on Wednesday, October 7 at 3:00 PM (ET).
>Dial in information is below. We will be discussing explicit references
>to checking system versions in this call. A discussion of this feature
>has already begun on the mailing list, so please feel free to contribute
>insights/concerns ahead of the meeting.
>
>We look forward to another productive discussion.
>
>Thanks,
>Charles Schmidt
>The MITRE Corp.
>
>--------
>
>Date/Time:  October 07, 2009 at 03:00 PM America/New_York
>Length:     90  (minutes)
>
>Meeting ID: 014760
>
>TO ATTEND THE AUDIO CONFERENCE:
>
>Dial 703-983-6338 (x36338) from the Washington DC region.
>Dial 781-271-6338 (x16338) from the Bedford, MA region.
>Toll Free number 866-648-7367 (866-MITRE-MP)
>
>TO ATTEND THE MeetingPlace Collaboration CONFERENCE:
>
>1. Go to:
>http://audioconference.mitre.org/a/6c2873c3a8340faef94e69fe4d955cd9
><http://audioconference.mitre.org/a/6c2873c3a8340faef94e69fe4d955cd9>
>2. Click on Attend Meeting.
>   - Accept any security warnings you receive and wait for the Meeting
>Room to initialize.
>3. If MeetingPlace Collaboration Window does not automatically open,
>press connect.
>
>
>
>TEST YOUR BROWSER BEFORE YOU ATTEND YOUR FIRST WEB CONFERENCE
>
>Visit http://audioconference.mitre.org
><http://audioconference.mitre.org>  to test your web browser for
>compatibility with the web conference. Follow
>this link to the browser test link on the page.
>
>
>
>

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[Gary Gapinski-4]

Schmidt, Charles M. wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> It seems that not only are about half the mail clients resending meeting responses to the whole list, but about half of the resent messages cause Outlook to hang when viewed.
>  

I used my iPhone (configured for Exchange ActiveSync with NASA MS
Exchange) to accept the invitation. I did not see my response pollute
the list.


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[Joe_Wulf]

Thank you, Richard.

I didn't mean to confuse the issue.  The meat of my suggestion is to recommend a fundamental change that identifies the name of the mailing list as the lead part of the subject line.

R,
-Joe Wulf, CISSP, RHCT, VCP, USN(RET)
 Senior IA Engineer
 ProSync Technology Group, LLC
 www.prosync.com; [hidden email]
 [hidden email]

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Richard Haas <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Richard Haas <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [nasa-ascs-external] Suggested change to the mailing list
> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 9:58 AM
> FWIW .... and
> normally I would have sent this just to Joe, but since his
> reply address is unavailable ...  :-)
> After more than half a decade of running a
> mailing list server, for tens of thousands of members and
> hundreds to thousands of mailing lists, it has been
> repeatedly demonstrated that obscuring the sending address,
> or automatically replacing the From address with the list
> Reply address, is generally unwise.   The miniscule
> extra thought/intent on the part of posters having to
> "reply all", when they wish their response to be
> seen by the list, pales in comparison to the oddities which
> arise when the sender address is obscured.
> This has been shown to be true even when some
> particular vendor's self-serving ideas about how RFC
> 822/2822 email addresses might be manipulated in internal
> proprietary calendaring functions (Exchange/Outlook) are not
> routinely exposed to the rest of the world, but certainly
> when that does occur -- as demonstrated here.
>  :-)
> -- Richard
> A. Haas, Senior Systems Engineer --  [hidden email] NASA
> Glenn Research Center  --  DB Consulting
> Group, Inc.--
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2009, at 9:12 AM, Joe_Wulf
> wrote:
> Currently,
> the mailing list is addressed to (at least in the public
> “To:” line) “Multiple recipients of list”.
> Which is good in that it hides email address of all the
> recipients.  But, makes it a bit more difficult to sort
> visually in the inbox to find THIS list entries when
> actively looking for them.  There are other mailing
> lists which are addressed the same way, thus making it even
> more difficult to find the one I’m looking for at any
> given time.
>  Would
> the mailing list owners/moderators consider a change that
> will clearly identify this mailing list as a natural part of
> the subject line?  Such as “[xccdf-dev_nist.gov]”
> would be very distinctive and facilitate the visual (and
> outlook rule setting) sorting.
>  R,
> -Joe Wulf, CISSP, RHCT, VCP, USN(RET)
>  Senior IA Engineer
>  ProSync Technology Group, LLC
>  www.prosync.com

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