Sorry for coming back to this so late.
An event is not limited to an IT system. It can be anything. A
accounting app stating an entry has been posted. An oil pipeline
stating that a valve has been opened. A user login. A disk failure.
If the nature of the standard is only to address systems, devices, and
under-the-hood application activities, okay. The context has to be
stated and adhered to. Otherwise, the term needs to be qualified. A
general term that fit's closer to "something happened" would be the
basis for the qualified terms. The perspective I hold to is the drive
behind this effort is business (compliance). It's an umbrella that
covers systems/devices/apps and more.
A log is a collection of information considered noteworthy by the
product vendor creating the log. Most are time stamped. Should the
ones that aren't time stamped be considered.
The log can contain anything. It is generally event related, but can be
information, such as the summary reports put out by some IDSes.
Limiting it to events is an unnatural constraint. Like "event", if
there is context that supports the proposed definition, it should be
stated. Otherwise, the term should reflect its qualifications.
Sanford
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Raffy Marty said:
>> 1. Event
>>
>> * An observable occurrence in a computer system. The classification
>> of events may be dependent on the observer and domain.
> Why in a computer system? Are we sure there are no other systems that
> we want to include?
I agree. "IT system" is more generic and implies inclusion of
event-generating hardware devices like routers, but I am not stuck on
this point.
I do not think that the second sentence thematically fits into this
definition- it just is hanging out there and does not help enhance
understanding of the definition; I think it goes elsewhere in our
documentation but not here.
>> 2. Event Record
>>
>> * A persistent representation of the details of an individual event.
>> --CEE standardizes the Event Record syntax and make recommendations
>> as to which events and corresponding details should be recorded.--
I'm not sure why the CEE plug is in this particular location, again it
does not belong in the definition but rather elsewhere in the
documentation.
>> 3. Event Log
>>
>> * A collection of time-stamped event records.
>>
>> 4. Log
>>
>> * A collection of event records and other informational data
>> pertaining to a particular domain.
>
> Log and Event Log? Why do we need both terms with slightly different
> definitions? Can we merge them into the same definition? Otherwise,
> there should be a definition on "informational data". What's that?
I concur, I think that the definition for "Log" should be:
"see 'Event Log'".
I think that we should drop the term and definition for "Log Record".
If we keep the term then it should be defined as "see 'Event Record'".
The definition has problems; as Raffy has pointed out it uses unclear
and undefined terms, and in addition I do not agree that a log record
can be verbal for our purposes- such representations are not consumable
by IT systems and therefore are probably beyond the scope of our
charter.
By changing the definition of "Event Log" to use the word "store" then
we implicitly include everything that is referenced in the definition of
"Log", but we could include a non-exhaustive list of samples if this is
going to be a sticking point, e.g.:
Event Log: a persistent store of ordered or time-stamped event records,
such as, but not limited to, a sequential-access text file, a relational
database, or a printout.
I agree with Raffy that we should stay away from alerts and such, these
are activities that management systems might take, perhaps upon
encountering particular event records.
>> 8. Log (v):
>>
>> * The act of recording or storing one or more events.
> Here, "log" refers to events? Isn't it to "generate an event record"?
I think that "or more" does not belong in the definition, and that it is
"event records", not "events" that are stored. Otherwise I like both
Bill's and Raffy's definition.
Eric
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