Chandler Project mailing lists: wiki table of lists, and Mailman descriptions of lists

[Graham Perrin]

Primarily FAO Main.GrantBaillie Main.MimiYin Main.PierreRouleau Main.MatthewJackson and other editors of
<http://chandlerproject.org/mailinglists>

Secondarily FAO list managers

The table of lists <http://chandlerproject.org/mailinglists#TableOfLists> is more condensed, fewer columns.

Where previously we had numerous columns for the osafoundation.org interfaces, now:

* five columns are reduced to one, with line breaks and em dashes within the cells.

The Gmane, MarkMail, Nabble options are to the right of the table. More clearly distinguished from the OSAF options.

= Expression of 'official' archives reveals some gaps =

<http://chandlerproject.org/Projects/MailingLists?rev=32> referred to 'Official Archive' (which I chose to express as 'primary archive') but if that's true, then <http://chandlerproject.org/Projects/MailingLists?rev=35> reveals gaps in in the officials archives:

* for some lists: there are Mailman archives, but no 'official' archives

— so the expression deserves further consideration.

= Descriptions of lists =

Some minor discrepancies. Wherever possible, in the wiki I have quoted or abstracted to have what's in the wiki as close as possible to the Mailman description.

Example: from <http://chandlerproject.org/Projects/MailingLists?rev=32> it wasn't clear to me which list to address concerning the wiki. Now, <http://chandlerproject.org/Projects/MailingLists?rev=35> quotes from <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/chandler-dev/> and it's clear that chandler-dev is appropriate for discussion of the wiki.

List managers might like to review/update the Mailman/Pipermail descriptions of their lists.

Best regards
Graham

[Mimi Yin]

Thanks Graham, this looks great. !

I'm not familiar with the history of the use of "official archives"  
on that page. Unless someone pipes up, you should feel free to change  
it to "Primary".

Best,
Mimi

On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:28 AM, Graham Perrin wrote:

>
> Primarily FAO Main.GrantBaillie Main.MimiYin Main.PierreRouleau
> Main.MatthewJackson and other editors of
> <http://chandlerproject.org/mailinglists>
>
> Secondarily FAO list managers
>
> The table of lists <http://chandlerproject.org/ 
> mailinglists#TableOfLists> is
> more condensed, fewer columns.
>
> Where previously we had numerous columns for the osafoundation.org
> interfaces, now:
>
> * five columns are reduced to one, with line breaks and em dashes  
> within the
> cells.
>
> The Gmane, MarkMail, Nabble options are to the right of the table.  
> More
> clearly distinguished from the OSAF options.
>
> = Expression of 'official' archives reveals some gaps =
>
> <http://chandlerproject.org/Projects/MailingLists?rev=32> referred to
> 'Official Archive' (which I chose to express as 'primary archive')  
> but if
> that's true, then <http://chandlerproject.org/Projects/MailingLists?
> rev=35>
> reveals gaps in in the officials archives:
>
> * for some lists: there are Mailman archives, but no 'official'  
> archives
>
> — so the expression deserves further consideration.
>
> = Descriptions of lists =
>
> Some minor discrepancies. Wherever possible, in the wiki I have  
> quoted or
> abstracted to have what's in the wiki as close as possible to the  
> Mailman
> description.
>
> Example: from <http://chandlerproject.org/Projects/MailingLists?
> rev=32> it
> wasn't clear to me which list to address concerning the wiki. Now,
> <http://chandlerproject.org/Projects/MailingLists?rev=35> quotes from
> <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/chandler-dev/> and  
> it's
> clear that chandler-dev is appropriate for discussion of the wiki.
>
> List managers might like to review/update the Mailman/Pipermail  
> descriptions
> of their lists.
>
> Best regards
> Graham
> --
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[DrewJensen]

Mimi Yin wrote:

> Thanks Graham, this looks great. !
>
> I'm not familiar with the history of the use of "official archives"  
> on that page. Unless someone pipes up, you should feel free to change  
> it to "Primary".
>
> Best,
> Mimi
>
> On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:28 AM, Graham Perrin wrote:
>
>  

Hello Graham, Mimi, et al.,

The page does look good - I would like to go ahead and update the gmane
information on it, if you don't mind.

For example there is support for feeds and instead of the news link
maybe in the second section:
http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.org.osaf.chandler.user
This gives the users the full feature set, links for feeds, link for
NNTP news feed, search capabilities.

Anyway.  I am neither pro nor con about gmane, just did it cause it came
up on the list here but might as well have the wiki page accurate.

Speaking of gmane - I got a message back from the admin there regarding
the name:
chandler-users vs chandler-user

It wasn't a typo on my  part. They have a stated policy at the site
which I failed to read, oops.

> Gmane employs certain naming conventions, so user-lists are always called *.user
> (not users, support, help, talk), developer lists are called *.devel (not
> developers, hackers, coders, ...) and so on.
>
> Wolfgang
>  


Best wishes,

Drew
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[DrewJensen]

Just a quick FYI - went ahead and edited the page per my last email
comments.

http://chandlerproject.org/Projects/MailingLists#TableOfLists

Till later then,

Drew
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[Graham Perrin]

Re <http://n2.nabble.com/Re%3A--chandler-dev--Chandler-Project-mailing-lists%3A-wiki-table-of-lists%2C-and-Mailman-descriptions-of-lists-tp1660222p1660480.html>

> http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.org.osaf.chandler.user
> This gives the users the full feature set

@ Drew: thanks :)

I find <http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.org.osaf.chandler.user> to be an easier starting point to NNTP, blog and other options (and faster to load to than the blog view) so I have used the dir.gmane.org options in the Gmane column. OK with you I hope :)

<http://lists.osafoundation.org/archives/chandler-users/?format=atom>
<http://rss.gmane.org/gmane.org.osaf.chandler.user> and
<http://n2.nabble.com/Chandler-users-f1653123.xml> are comparable, message-oriented

<http://n2.nabble.com/Chandler-users-ft1653123.xml> is more unique; it's a feed for _topics_ (threads) less busy than the feeds for messages, and I don't find an equivalent in Gmane (but again, I could be missing something).

Tables updated accordingly.

Regards
Graham

[Graham Perrin]

Thank you both; my reply posted to <http://n2.nabble.com/Chandler-Project-mailing-lists%3A-wiki-table-of-lists%2C-and-Mailman-descriptions-of-lists-tp1658422p1662389.html>

(From <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/chandler-dev/> I assume that chandler-dev is the preferred list for discussion of the wiki.)

[Graham Perrin]

The Nabble interface to chandler-dev is now comprehensive, covering the period 20 October 2002 to date.

My thanks to Jared and to the people at Nabble.

<http://chandlerproject.org/Projects/MailingLists#TableOfLists> is updated accordingly. It seems that the The Mailman/pipermail interface is primary, so I have changed the first column of the table.

Incidentally, re the four OSAF-hosted IETF lists represented at <http://n2.nabble.com/-f1653096.html> I have contacted Lisa Dusseault; these will receive attention in due course.

Regards
Graham