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kmoeman

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Before they take it away, does anyone know what the new cola increase will be?
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kmo, the index wont be released until February, but  I bet Manoman will
end up giving us a very accurate estimate before then...

On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 4:41 PM, kmoeman (via Nabble) - No Reply <[hidden email]> wrote:
Before they take it away, does anyone know what the new cola increase will be?






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Last I saw it was projected to be ZERO.   I would be surprised if there is anything at all.  This came from the NALC site.  This was as of Dec. 16.  Rural carriers COLA is roughly the same as the NALC gets.

  http://www.nalc.org/news/latest/index.html
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PT, you are correct - the new COLA will be based on the figure for Jan. which comes out Feb 20. IF the COLA was figured the way that the EMA is, we would be seeing a very large drop, but the contract says that "in no event will a decline in the Index below the Base Index result in a decrease in the pay scale provided in this Agreement." (Whatever that means).  The Base Index is the CPI for May 2007 which was 606.643.

The last COLA increase we got was quite large and resulted from a CPI reading of 644.303 in July 2008. For reference, the CPI figure for Nov. 2008 was 617.472. I'm expecting a further drop in the Dec. figure (again coming out this Friday), and the reading which will determine the COLA will come out Feb. 20.  


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The consumer price index for December came out this morning, and the series that the USPS uses to calculate our COLA dropped to 610.075  from the 617.472 reading in November. Again, our last jump in the COLA was triggered by the July 2008 reading of 644.303.

Our next COLA change will be triggered by the release of January's CPI next month. For us to get an increase, the number would have to be above that 644.303 reading. I don't believe there is any chance of that, which means there will be no COLA raise. As one previous poster suggested, it wouldn't be a big surprise to see the USPS push for a COLA rollback...

As poster Bob1 pointed out further back in this thread, the NALC site has a COLA watch, which they update following the release of the CPI figure. I see that they too project that there will be a 0% increase after seeing today's figure. It'd be nice if OUR assN would do something like this, but I guess they're too busy.

http://www.nalc.org/news/latest/index.html



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This response is directed to manOman:

Went to a mail count traing last night and the SS alluded to the FACT rural carriers were in for another big COLA soon.  I thought he was wrong but let it slide until I could talk to him in private.  Told him what I had seen on the NALC site and he said he THOUGHT our leaders indicated otherwise and ours would be different.  I disagreed and told him so, this is based on the FACT that the COLA we get and what the NALC gets is almost identical, and it is projected at ZERO.

Your thoughts??

Personally, I think he was using the suggestion of another BIG COLA as a tool to drum up some money for PAC as he had just given a promo for contributions.  I do not see any way we are in for ANY COLA with the release of the January CPI.
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bob1, I think you may have been at the same count meeting I was at. Our outgoing State Steward was pushing the PAC funds very hard, and the big COLA was mentioned.  Barring a total miracle, we're NOT going to get any COLA with the next adjustment (after release of the Jan CPI in mid-Feb). In fact, the way things are going, I expect the USPS to plead poverty and try to get a rollback on the previous COLA.


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bob1

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You in Ohio?
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bob1 wrote:
You in Ohio?

They don't call me man OH man for nothing... LOL


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What office?  We need to talk as we are both in Ohio.  We might even know who the other is.
I will say, I am impressed with your knowledge, kind of unusual from what I usually see.
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The Consumer Price Index for January came out this morning, and the index used to calculate our COLA was 612.719. That's up a bit from the 610.075 reading we got for December, but nowhere near the 644.303 reading in July which triggered our last big COLA increase. Bottom line, there won't be a COLA increase to our pay.

The NALC site has a writeup on the COLA:

http://www.nalc.org/news/latest/index.html

For some reason, the NALC link doesn't seem to be working, so here's their story:

Fourth Contract COLA: -0-

There will be no fourth cost-of-living adjustment (COLA) for letter carriers this period, under the terms of the 2006-2011 National Agreement. That's because there was no increase in the Consumer Price Index (CPI) between July 2008 and January 2009, based on figures released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) February 20,

The next COLA—the fifth under the contract—will be based on any increase in CPI from January to July 2009. The last COLA was $1,497 in September 2008.

There are eight COLAs included in the 2006-2011 agreement.


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Link is working fine.

I guess this means the former Ohio State Steward was WRONG!!  Too bad for all those suckers who believed him.
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Anybody else think it is odd our national site has no update on the COLA after the CPI numbers were released over a week ago?  I called the national office about this twice and was assured it would be updated this week, nothing as of Sat. 2/28.  I was first told they were waiting for the "numbers", that was on Wednesday 2/25.  The "numbers" were released on 2/20 so that excuse did not fly.  Was then told they would be up the next day, they were not.  The NALC site had it on by mid-day on 2/20.  

I realize our national board is probably busy fielding calls about mail count and maybe even working on a "deal" to file a national level grievance that we will hear nothing about for years, but I feel since there is NO COLA this time they are intentionally dragging their feet on this matter.  The other postal unions had this information up in a timely fashion, not us as the NRLCA is ALWAYS behind.

If any one else shares these same concerns I would suggest a phone call to the national office on Monday.
703-684-5545 and ask to speak to an officer or leave a message about your concerns.
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From the NRLCA site tonight:

In accordance with Article 9.1.F.2 of the 2006-2010 National Agreement, COLA is calculated in January and July.  Based on figures released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) on February 20, 2009, the consumer price index  (CPI-W) for January 2009 was 612.719. The CPI-W for January was below the July 2008 CPI-W of 644.303.  The January 2009 Consumer Price Index (CPI-W) did not increase over the July 2008 CPI-W.  Therefore, there will be no cost-of-living adjustment (COLA) for January 2009.

From MY post on FEBRUARY 20TH:

The Consumer Price Index for January came out this morning, and the index used to calculate our COLA was 612.719. That's up a bit from the 610.075 reading we got for December, but nowhere near the 644.303 reading in July which triggered our last big COLA increase. Bottom line, there won't be a COLA increase to our pay.

The NALC site has a writeup on the COLA:

http://www.nalc.org/news/latest/index.html

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So I guess the "What's New" part of the NRLCA site should be renamed "What WAS new 10 DAYS Ago"


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Just a quick question about the COLA increases for the future if we get any.  In order for us to ever get a COLA increase again does the CPI have to raise above the 644.303 figure from July of 08?
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NJRegular, I saw your question a few days ago, but elected to wait until today's release of the CPI data to answer.  In short, you are correct - we would have to see a CPI reading above the 644.303 recorded in July 2008 to get a COLA increase - note too, that that reading would have to occur in one of the trigger months (Jan. or July). Since January 2009's figure was way short, our next shot at an increase will be with the July 2009 figures (to be released in mid-Aug.). My gut feeling is that we probably won't get an increase then either - though if you look at the January & February figures, you'll see that the numbers have started to increase again. February's # was 3 higher than January. At that rate, it would take 10 more months for the CPI to surpass the July 2008 #.  But looking at the monthly figures, it's easy to see that there is really no way to anticipate the month-to-month variations. I'll try to remember to update this table on a monthly basis so everyone can see how things are going.

2008
Jan.  615.828   <trigger month>
Feb. 617.345  
Mar. 622.985
Apr. 627.606
May 633.830
June 641.082
July  644.303  <trigger month>
Aug. 641.155
Sep. 640.226
Oct. 632.025
Nov. 617.472
Dec. 610.075

2009

Jan.  612.719  <trigger month>
Feb. 615.719


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The CPI figures for March came out today, and the series that the USPS uses to calculate our COLA was up to 617.239 from the February reading of  615.719. The next chance for us to get a COLA adjustment will be following the release of the July 2009 figure.  

2009

Jan.  612.719  <trigger month>
Feb. 615.719
Mar 617.239


2008
Jan.  615.828   <trigger month>
Feb. 617.345  
Mar. 622.985
Apr. 627.606
May 633.830
June 641.082
July  644.303  <trigger month>
Aug. 641.155
Sep. 640.226
Oct. 632.025
Nov. 617.472
Dec. 610.075



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619.344

The CPI figures for April came out today, and the series that the USPS uses to calculate our COLA was up to 619.344 from the March reading of  617.239. The next chance for us to get a COLA adjustment will be following the release of the July 2009 figure.  

2009

Jan.  612.719  <trigger month>
Feb. 615.719
Mar. 617.239
Apr. 619.344

2008
Jan.  615.828   <trigger month>
Feb. 617.345  
Mar. 622.985
Apr. 627.606
May 633.830
June 641.082
July  644.303  <trigger month>
Aug. 641.155
Sep. 640.226
Oct. 632.025
Nov. 617.472
Dec. 610.075


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The CPI figures for May were released today, and the series that the USPS uses to calculate the COLA rose to 621.875 from the 619.344 reading in April. The next COLA adjustment will be after the release of the July figure (in Aug), and my guess continues to be that we won't be getting any increase then.


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The Consumer Price Index (CPI) for June came out today, and the figure that our COLA is based on came in at 628.422, which is up from the previous month's reading, but still below the July 2008 reading of 644.303 that triggered the last COLA increase we got. I'm guessing the number for this month (July) will also come in below that July 2008 figure, so it looks like we probably won't get a COLA increase this year. The NALC site

http://www.nalc.org/news/latest/index.html

says

"The next COLA will reflect the increase in the CPI between January and July 2009"

which makes me wonder if there is an increase between Jan & July of 2009 (there should be) whether we WILL get an increase. Words can be tricky, and I don't know if this is likely. The NALC site DOES say that as of this month's release, there was "no projected accumulation toward" the next COLA.

2009

Jan.  612.719  <trigger month>
Feb. 615.719
Mar. 617.239
Apr. 619.344
May 621.875
June 628.422

2008
Jan.  615.828   <trigger month>
Feb. 617.345  
Mar. 622.985
Apr. 627.606
May 633.830
June 641.082
July  644.303  <trigger month>
Aug. 641.155
Sep. 640.226
Oct. 632.025
Nov. 617.472
Dec. 610.075


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