Boxholder Insanity

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Casca

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This is totally insane and USPS lets it go on.

Yesterday, UPS dropped off 4 large boxes addressed to the PO.  Inside the boxes were seven, 2 foot USPS trays with USPS cardboard covers, full of boxholders for us to deliver next week.  The freaking mailer went to a PO, got the trays, then used UPS to send boxholders for us to deliver.  What the frack?  This is the second such shipment in 3 months.  This time a tool sale flyer, last time a stupid flyer for a car dealer.  If they want us to deliver them, they should use us to get them to the PO's.


Oh and on a side note, I've been seeing FedEx vans more frequently delivering to homes on Saturday.  We're not the only Saturday game in town for parcel delivery.  And that puts FedEx in a postition to take shipping $$ from us if/when we go to 5 day delivery.
idontlikerocks

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fedex is probably losing money delivering on a saturday,   hmmmmmm    just like we do.
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I agree they should have to use the PO totally to get these delivered. But the reason they send them like that is because the GMF's have a problem getting them out to local offices when they are due to go out.
Pats2

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Mailers get a discount on bulk mailings if the drop them at the destination office.  All bulk mailings are considered a work share between the post office and the mailer.  For instance, they get a discount if the mail is automation compatable.  Why, because the mail can be sent directly to the machines without us having to manually sort or upgrade the mail.  They save us the time and effort and we give them a discount for saving that time.  A win-win situation.  

The same goes for drop shipping them to the destination office.  We didn't have to use our transportation to get them to the destination office, so they get a discount because they will do it.  Again, a win-win situation.  In your case the mailer decided it was cheaper or easier to send the mailing (along with the documentation that it was paid for) through UPS than to truck it there themselves.  If you think about it, the same thing happens every day when you get parcels drop shipped by UPS and Fed Ex every day.
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Mailing dates don't matter any more, remember?
charlie

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Yeah and at mail count they'll probably count the shipment as one parcel.
middle of nowhere

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   actually if this is something that is run through with dps, it is not a boxholder. boxholders do not have addresses on them that can be sorted to an address. sector/segment count at worst dps at best.  a little difference between 4:00 a hundred -  to 30 pieces a minute
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I'm not sure what your response has to do with my post.  Casca said it was a boxholder, not me.  I was trying to explain why the mail arrived at Casca's office the way it did.

But since you brought it up.  "if this is something that is run through with dps," the mailer would get a discount for dropping it off at the plant that services the Associate Office.  

There are two big discounts mailers can get.  One for how they prepare the mail such as making it automation compatable.  And the other is for where they deposit the mail.  The closer to the end point or processing point they get, the better the discount.
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I'm not sure what your response has to do with my post.  Casca said it was a boxholder, not me.  I was trying to explain why the mail arrived at Casca's office the way it did.

But since you brought it up.  "if this is something that is run through with dps," the mailer would get a discount for dropping it off at the plant that services the Associate Office.  

There are two big discounts mailers can get.  One for how they prepare the mail such as making it automation compatable.  And the other is for where they deposit the mail.  The closer to the end point or processing point they get, the better the discount.
Pats2

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I'm not sure what your response has to do with my post.  Casca said it was a boxholder, not me.  I was trying to explain why the mail arrived at Casca's office the way it did.

But since you brought it up.  "if this is something that is run through with dps," the mailer would get a discount for dropping it off at the plant that services the Associate Office.  

There are two big discounts mailers can get.  One for how they prepare the mail such as making it automation compatable.  And the other is for where they deposit the mail.  The closer to the end point or processing point they get, the better the discount.
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@Pats2

Just curious, we provide a discount to a mailer to prepare a mailing to be machinable.  Most of the mailings that we receive are in carrier-route-order. Yet the plant will break this open and run it on a flat machine (non-dps) and break it from that route order the mailer put it in to receive the discount and then send it to carriers to work out of a flat tub when it is a letter sized piece.  So, we now have to re-orient the pieces as they are strewn throughout one or more tubs and in no particular order anymore and seperate them from the flats so that they can be worked with the letters later in the casing process.  Please explain to me the thought process behind this.  They make the piece easier for us to case, and the post office makes it more difficult...  Who's side is the post office on?

just a note - I am not attacking you personally, just the system.  Let's not work harder, let's work smarter is all I am saying.  We see this in our office on a daily basis and I have been told it is not a grievable issue from our Area steward.  
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First let me apologize for the repeating answers prior to this.  I don't know how that happened.

Anyway, I know a little about bulk mail acceptance, but very little about mail processing.  From what I am told by plant when I have complained about getting carrier routed mail in tubs or, if we are lucky, by themselves in a tray, is that the plant is trying to run it in DPS but fails to get a quality product.  Either the mailing is jamming up the machines, or is not sorting well and degrading the quality of the DPS, resulting in a very poor DPS product.  

By then, they have already broken open the mail and made a mess of it (it is mixed up and co-mingled with other routes and even other offices).  So their choices are to carrier route it on the DPS machines, or if there is not time to do that, run it on the flat sorters to at least get it back to carrier routed.

When they sort the mail in DPS they are in the mindset that the mail is going to city carriers and they are going to try to run it in DPS if at all possible.

Many times, after getting what appears to be mail perfectly suited for DPS in a tub or tray, we complain and/or sent the mail back to plant for reprocessing only to get it back in even worse shape than before.  The plant told me that if we ever get it in a tray or tub to not waste time sending it back because We would not have received it that way unless they already attempted to run it in DPS.  

Anyway, that is what they told me, but I would not swear that it is true, but it sounds logical to me.
Ughhhhh

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I really think that this is that "wonderful" Mail Innovation by UPS. It really drives me crazy! And I have been frustrated about it ever since I first saw it. We (Postal Service) are letting UPS get our customers to use them to get OUR mail to US? Something is really wrong here =( Just go to the UPS web site and it has a real nice video showing their trucks getting our mail to us...huh? It is just one of the things that really bugs me especially with the way management keeps acting like they are really trying to help all of us poor rural carriers by letting us have "Rural Reach". Unless you actually have a business route and personally see your customers every day, how can we talk to them about our products? I have tried to beg the Rural Reach sales people to please let us have a coverage to deliver to all of our customers so that they can read about our services when they get home from work and at their own convenience. UPS and other companies don't have the reach that we do! We go to every house every day and if other companies want to advertise to everyone they have to use US...too bad that WE won't even use our own services!! I had suggested that it could even be combined on the orange stamp envelope (since that is where they are crediting our compensation for it anyway) Also, any time that we are allowed to deliver a full coverage of orange envelopes the stamp sells generated from it our more than impressive!!
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"We (Postal Service) are letting UPS get our customers to use them to get OUR mail to US? Something is really wrong here =( Just go to the UPS web site and it has a real nice video showing their trucks getting our mail to us...huh?"

Stupid, isn't it?

My biggest complaint with my satellite TV service (DIRECT TV), is that they increase the volumn on advertisements where DISH NETWORK is trying to sell THEIR satellite service....to DIRECT TV's customers.

I've taken to telling my customers, whenever I deliver parcels that originated with other shippers (UPS, FEDEX, etc.), that somewhere there's a middleman making money off their orders.

Why does it take a rocket scientist to figure this out? And who's paying for all those boxholders and catalogues? Well, I'm the person paying for those things, if I buy from them. To lose me as a customer, all one has to do is mail out a slick, thick, expensive (think CABELLA's, BASS PRO SHOPS, NORTHERN TOOL) catalogue. No thanks, I'll let other folks pay for that expensive advertising.

Whatever happened anyway, to just plain good quality products at reasonable prices? I'm not an idiot. I don't need expensive advertising to tell me what I want to buy....

Sahagan
vax

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    They matter around here, will get a low for delivering to early!
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    They need the numbers to justify the machines!!
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    They need the numbers to justify the machines!!
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    They need the numbers to justify the machines!!
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    They need the numbers to justify the machines!!
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    They need the numbers to justify the machines!!
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