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Association - we did it!

Hi Everybody,

now it is done. On Wednesday the 09.09.2009 we came together for the initial Founding of the Foswiki Association. After four hours of meeting it was created - articles explained and agreed, iInitial board elected as well as signatures approved with the notary. Afterwards we took a beer and had some nice chats. I guess we will manage to upload some pictures during the weekend.

Oh by the way

This is the board:

1. Chairman             André Ulrich

2. Vice Chairman        Ingo Kappler

3. Treasurer            Oliver Krüger

4. Member of Board      Oliver Laudenbach

5. Member of Board      Markus Ueberall

Congratulations and thanks for the effort. Some of you did a lot of traveling to make this possible!!

Now we are waiting for the registration to receive legal status for the association. According to the notary this will take around four weeks. After that we can invite the community to become member, create an account, move domains and most important hold the community assembly!!!

For this assembly there is still a lot of work to do. Just write your points here  http://foswiki.org/Community/AgendaInitialCommunityAssembly .

The next step should be to agree about a date.

Best

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Jens Hansen wrote:
Association - we did it!

On Wednesday the 09.09.2009 we came together for the initial Founding of the Foswiki Association.

Brilliant! I never imagined it would take this long when we started the process back October last year. You guys have been working away quietly and steadily in the background, getting this done, and I for one am really grateful to you for all your hard work.

Now it's up to everybody to get ready for the first http://foswiki.org/Community/AgendaInitialCommunityAssembly; I'm heading over there right now to add my input.

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Thanks for all the work to achieve this milestone!

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On 11 sep 2009, at 08:48, Jens Hansen wrote:

Hi Everybody,

now it is done. On Wednesday the 09.09.2009 we came together for the initial Founding of the Foswiki Association. After four hours of meeting it was created - articles explained and agreed, iInitial board elected as well as signatures approved with the notary. Afterwards we took a beer and had some nice chats. I guess we will manage to upload some pictures during the weekend.

Oh by the way

This is the board:

1. Chairman             André Ulrich

2. Vice Chairman        Ingo Kappler

3. Treasurer            Oliver Krüger

4. Member of Board      Oliver Laudenbach

5. Member of Board      Markus Ueberall


Congratulations and thanks for the effort. Some of you did a lot of traveling to make this possible!!

Now we are waiting for the registration to receive legal status for the association. According to the notary this will take around four weeks. After that we can invite the community to become member, create an account, move domains and most important hold the community assembly!!!

For this assembly there is still a lot of work to do. Just write your points here  http://foswiki.org/Community/AgendaInitialCommunityAssembly .

The next step should be to agree about a date.


Best

Jens

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> For this assembly there is still a lot of work to do.

Hm, problem is we can't convert all of the virtual beers
just during this occasion. That would be a disaster.

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Congratulations on getting this complete.

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On Friday 11 September 2009 08:48:17 Jens Hansen wrote:
> For this assembly there is still a lot of work to do.

Hm, problem is we can't convert all of the virtual beers
just during this occasion. That would be a disaster.

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> On Friday 11 September 2009 08:48:17 Jens Hansen wrote:
> > For this assembly there is still a lot of work to do.
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> Hm, problem is we can't convert all of the virtual beers
> just during this occasion. That would be a disaster.

We can at least try!

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Thank you! Excellent work! I will designate a beer later today in the honor of this event.
--Raymond

Jens Hansen wrote:
Association - we did it!

Hi Everybody,

now it is done. On Wednesday the 09.09.2009 we came together for the initial Founding of the Foswiki Association. After four hours of meeting it was created - articles explained and agreed, iInitial board elected as well as signatures approved with the notary. Afterwards we took a beer and had some nice chats. I guess we will manage to upload some pictures during the weekend.

Oh by the way

This is the board:

1. Chairman             André Ulrich

2. Vice Chairman        Ingo Kappler

3. Treasurer            Oliver Krüger

4. Member of Board      Oliver Laudenbach

5. Member of Board      Markus Ueberall

Congratulations and thanks for the effort. Some of you did a lot of traveling to make this possible!!

Now we are waiting for the registration to receive legal status for the association. According to the notary this will take around four weeks. After that we can invite the community to become member, create an account, move domains and most important hold the community assembly!!!

For this assembly there is still a lot of work to do. Just write your points here  http://foswiki.org/Community/AgendaInitialCommunityAssembly .

The next step should be to agree about a date.

Best

Jens


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Hi all,

I just posted a new blog entry at
http://blog.foswiki.org/2009/09/foswiki-association-was-founded-on-20090909/
Short link: http://tr.im/zdZQ

I would love to see your comments on the blog again. If there is any  
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Am 11.09.2009 um 18:40 schrieb Raymond Lutz:

> Thank you! Excellent work! I will designate a beer later today in  
> the honor of this event.
> --Raymond
>
> Jens Hansen wrote:
>> Hi Everybody,
>>
>> now it is done. On Wednesday the 09.09.2009 we came together for  
>> the initial Founding of the Foswiki Association. After four hours  
>> of meeting it was created - articles explained and agreed, iInitial  
>> board elected as well as signatures approved with the notary.  
>> Afterwards we took a beer and had some nice chats. I guess we will  
>> manage to upload some pictures during the weekend.
>>
>> Oh by the way…
>>
>> This is the board:
>>
>> 1. Chairman             André Ulrich
>>
>> 2. Vice Chairman        Ingo Kappler
>>
>> 3. Treasurer            Oliver Krüger
>>
>> 4. Member of Board      Oliver Laudenbach
>>
>> 5. Member of Board      Markus Ueberall
>>
>>
>> Congratulations and thanks for the effort. Some of you did a lot of  
>> traveling to make this possible!!
>>
>> Now we are waiting for the registration to receive legal status for  
>> the association. According to the notary this will take around four  
>> weeks. After that we can invite the community to become member,  
>> create an account, move domains and most important hold the  
>> community assembly!!!
>>
>> For this assembly there is still a lot of work to do. Just write  
>> your points here  http://foswiki.org/Community/AgendaInitialCommunityAssembly 
>>  .
>>
>> The next step should be to agree about a date.
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Jens
>>
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Martin Seibert schrieb:
> I just posted a new blog entry at [...] Short link: http://tr.im/zdZQ
> I would love to see your comments on the blog again. If there is any
> need for changes, please tell me. I will be happy to change that then.
IMHO we should change the wording in the 5th paragraph ("The result is
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I don't get it. Why do we need to use Wordpress to set up a place for comments?? Is the CommentPlugin so bad that we can't even use foswiki for comments and discussion? I say the developers of foswiki should be required to use foswiki as the "official foswiki" blog, and not Wordpress. Why? I want to see the comment facility IMPROVED and FIXED. Do I use it? No. I can't use it on a public site, as it is designed only for private intranet use. From my experience, people will not spend the time to register on the site just to add a comment, there is no captcha to stop google spam robots from registering, and thus, I have to approve each and every registered user before they can continue and the process takes too long to complete. But, I want to have a comment facility that works with foswiki on a public site. This is a critical issue that should not be avoided.

I urge everyone to avoid this "official" wordpress blog and use only the foswiki site for comments. If it doesn't work, lets fix it and not give up just because there is another competing platform that is easy to install.

--Raymond

Martin Seibert wrote:
Hi all,

I just posted a new blog entry at
http://blog.foswiki.org/2009/09/foswiki-association-was-founded-on-20090909/
Short link: http://tr.im/zdZQ

I would love to see your comments on the blog again. If there is any need for changes, please tell me. I will be happy to change that then.

Best regards

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Am 11.09.2009 um 18:40 schrieb Raymond Lutz:

Thank you! Excellent work! I will designate a beer later today in the honor of this event.
--Raymond

Jens Hansen wrote:
Hi Everybody,

now it is done. On Wednesday the 09.09.2009 we came together for the initial Founding of the Foswiki Association. After four hours of meeting it was created - articles explained and agreed, iInitial board elected as well as signatures approved with the notary. Afterwards we took a beer and had some nice chats. I guess we will manage to upload some pictures during the weekend.

Oh by the way…

This is the board:

1. Chairman             André Ulrich

2. Vice Chairman        Ingo Kappler

3. Treasurer            Oliver Krüger

4. Member of Board      Oliver Laudenbach

5. Member of Board      Markus Ueberall


Congratulations and thanks for the effort. Some of you did a lot of traveling to make this possible!!

Now we are waiting for the registration to receive legal status for the association. According to the notary this will take around four weeks. After that we can invite the community to become member, create an account, move domains and most important hold the community assembly!!!

For this assembly there is still a lot of work to do. Just write your points here  http://foswiki.org/Community/AgendaInitialCommunityAssembly .

The next step should be to agree about a date.


Best

Jens


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Am 21.09.2009 um 00:50 schrieb Markus Ueberall:

> Hi Martin,
>
> Martin Seibert schrieb:
>> I just posted a new blog entry at [...] Short link: http://tr.im/zdZQ
>> I would love to see your comments on the blog again. If there is any
>> need for changes, please tell me. I will be happy to change that  
>> then.
> IMHO we should change the wording in the 5th paragraph ("The result is
> now an official entity,") in order to note that registration is still
> pending--to the outside world, "official" could (also) be associated
> with that registration...
>
> Ad astra, Markus
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Am 21.09.2009 um 01:06 schrieb Raymond Lutz:

> I don't get it. Why do we need to use Wordpress to set up a place  
> for comments?? Is the CommentPlugin so bad that we can't even use  
> foswiki for comments and discussion? I say the developers of foswiki  
> should be required to use foswiki as the "official foswiki" blog,  
> and not Wordpress. Why? I want to see the comment facility IMPROVED  
> and FIXED. Do I use it? No. I can't use it on a public site, as it  
> is designed only for private intranet use. From my experience,  
> people will not spend the time to register on the site just to add a  
> comment, there is no captcha to stop google spam robots from  
> registering, and thus, I have to approve each and every registered  
> user before they can continue and the process takes too long to  
> complete. But, I want to have a comment facility that works with  
> foswiki on a public site. This is a critical issue that should not  
> be avoided.
>
> I urge everyone to avoid this "official" wordpress blog and use only  
> the foswiki site for comments. If it doesn't work, lets fix it and  
> not give up just because there is another competing platform that is  
> easy to install.
>
> --Raymond
>
> Martin Seibert wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I just posted a new blog entry at
>> http://blog.foswiki.org/2009/09/foswiki-association-was-founded-on-20090909/
>> Short link: http://tr.im/zdZQ
>>
>> I would love to see your comments on the blog again. If there is  
>> any need for changes, please tell me. I will be happy to change  
>> that then.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Martin Seibert
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 11.09.2009 um 18:40 schrieb Raymond Lutz:
>>
>>> Thank you! Excellent work! I will designate a beer later today in  
>>> the honor of this event.
>>> --Raymond
>>>
>>> Jens Hansen wrote:
>>>> Hi Everybody,
>>>>
>>>> now it is done. On Wednesday the 09.09.2009 we came together for  
>>>> the initial Founding of the Foswiki Association. After four hours  
>>>> of meeting it was created - articles explained and agreed,  
>>>> iInitial board elected as well as signatures approved with the  
>>>> notary. Afterwards we took a beer and had some nice chats. I  
>>>> guess we will manage to upload some pictures during the weekend.
>>>>
>>>> Oh by the way…
>>>>
>>>> This is the board:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Chairman             André Ulrich
>>>>
>>>> 2. Vice Chairman        Ingo Kappler
>>>>
>>>> 3. Treasurer            Oliver Krüger
>>>>
>>>> 4. Member of Board      Oliver Laudenbach
>>>>
>>>> 5. Member of Board      Markus Ueberall
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Congratulations and thanks for the effort. Some of you did a lot  
>>>> of traveling to make this possible!!
>>>>
>>>> Now we are waiting for the registration to receive legal status  
>>>> for the association. According to the notary this will take  
>>>> around four weeks. After that we can invite the community to  
>>>> become member, create an account, move domains and most important  
>>>> hold the community assembly!!!
>>>>
>>>> For this assembly there is still a lot of work to do. Just write  
>>>> your points here  http://foswiki.org/Community/AgendaInitialCommunityAssembly 
>>>>  .
>>>>
>>>> The next step should be to agree about a date.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>> Jens
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On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 07:06:59AM +0800, Raymond Lutz wrote:

> I don't get it. Why do we need to use Wordpress to set up a place for
> comments?? Is the CommentPlugin so bad that we can't even use foswiki for
> comments and discussion? I say the developers of foswiki should be required
> to use foswiki as the "official foswiki" blog, and not Wordpress. Why? I
> want to see the comment facility IMPROVED and FIXED. Do I use it? No. I
> can't use it on a public site, as it is designed only for private intranet
> use. From my experience, people will not spend the time to register on the
> site just to add a comment, there is no captcha to stop google spam robots
> from registering, and thus, I have to approve each and every registered
> user before they can continue and the process takes too long to complete.
> But, I want to have a comment facility that works with foswiki on a public
> site. This is a critical issue that should not be avoided.

Just a silly question: what is stopping you from implementing the
suggestions you make above??

FWIW, i agree with you that we should blog on our own platform, but
since no-one has time/motivation to set that up Martin went with
wordpress instead. Can you blame him for that?

Another thing, the crippled blog-like thing we had on twiki is something
we should avoid on foswiki. Most importantly, it does not have
pingbacks!

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I would move the "blog" off of Wordpress immediately, but I am attempting to be courteous to the group and get these discussed prior to taking the initiative to undo something that is already done. I would rather see the discussion on foswiki, I don't care how crippled it seems to be. I have suggested using the PublishPlugin, which I have recently bug fixed (sorry, not quite submitted yet) to handle static landing pages if foswiki efficiency is too poor. But that is not the issue here.

It is not necessary to have everything fixed to meet the competition of Wordpress. A wiki is a differently animal, a better one, in my opinion, because the discussion can be refactored to get to the gist of the solution. Wordpress can't do that, so we don't have to do everything it does. Can I fix everything in one fell swoop? Sorry, I don't have the bandwidth to dedicate to foswiki, and if I did, I would not need the community at all and go off on my merry way. I will continue to assert that it is preferable to use foswiki, even without bouncebacks, etc. because 1) it keeps the data on our own platform, 2) encourages improvement to allow us to place it on a public website situation and ask for comments, and 3) any deficiencies can be fixed, to the benefit of any foswiki installation.

This action was taken of using Wordpress without a vote of the community and I would like to see it discussed and put to a vote. There is no technology roadblock to getting started, even though I know there are things to be fixed to improve foswiki for this application.

---> THEREFORE, I move to use foswiki for the info placed in the "official foswiki blog", even if it is somewhat weak right now.

(Eventually, I want to migrate toward the capability that this foswiki-discuss email discussion rolled into foswiki too, with responses to the list placed into foswiki. Comments made to this list are being lost because there is no automatic mechanism to allow email content to be appended to a topic. )

--Raymond

Koen Martens wrote:
Hi Raymond,

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 07:06:59AM +0800, Raymond Lutz wrote:
  
I don't get it. Why do we need to use Wordpress to set up a place for 
comments?? Is the CommentPlugin so bad that we can't even use foswiki for 
comments and discussion? I say the developers of foswiki should be required 
to use foswiki as the "official foswiki" blog, and not Wordpress. Why? I 
want to see the comment facility IMPROVED and FIXED. Do I use it? No. I 
can't use it on a public site, as it is designed only for private intranet 
use. From my experience, people will not spend the time to register on the 
site just to add a comment, there is no captcha to stop google spam robots 
from registering, and thus, I have to approve each and every registered 
user before they can continue and the process takes too long to complete. 
But, I want to have a comment facility that works with foswiki on a public 
site. This is a critical issue that should not be avoided.
    

Just a silly question: what is stopping you from implementing the
suggestions you make above??

FWIW, i agree with you that we should blog on our own platform, but
since no-one has time/motivation to set that up Martin went with
wordpress instead. Can you blame him for that? 

Another thing, the crippled blog-like thing we had on twiki is something
we should avoid on foswiki. Most importantly, it does not have
pingbacks!

Gr,

Koen

  

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I added my comments to that page, but those pages are NOT coupled with this primary discussion email list, and therefore, the discussion gets lost. On that page, it seems the consensus was that we would not use Wordpress. I am not going to support the Wordpress blog, and I encourage the use of foswiki only for this purpose. Any benefit we might gain by using a whistle or bell that Wordpress has will simply undermine the desire of the foswiki community to enable those same functions in foswiki.

It is a general rule. Use your own tool.

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you might want to join this discussion here:
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Am 21.09.2009 um 01:06 schrieb Raymond Lutz:

I don't get it. Why do we need to use Wordpress to set up a place for comments?? Is the CommentPlugin so bad that we can't even use foswiki for comments and discussion? I say the developers of foswiki should be required to use foswiki as the "official foswiki" blog, and not Wordpress. Why? I want to see the comment facility IMPROVED and FIXED. Do I use it? No. I can't use it on a public site, as it is designed only for private intranet use. From my experience, people will not spend the time to register on the site just to add a comment, there is no captcha to stop google spam robots from registering, and thus, I have to approve each and every registered user before they can continue and the process takes too long to complete. But, I want to have a comment facility that works with foswiki on a public site. This is a critical issue that should not be avoided.

I urge everyone to avoid this "official" wordpress blog and use only the foswiki site for comments. If it doesn't work, lets fix it and not give up just because there is another competing platform that is easy to install.

--Raymond

Martin Seibert wrote:

Hi all,

I just posted a new blog entry at
http://blog.foswiki.org/2009/09/foswiki-association-was-founded-on-20090909/
Short link: http://tr.im/zdZQ

I would love to see your comments on the blog again. If there is any need for changes, please tell me. I will be happy to change that then.

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Am 11.09.2009 um 18:40 schrieb Raymond Lutz:

Thank you! Excellent work! I will designate a beer later today in the honor of this event.
--Raymond

Jens Hansen wrote:
Hi Everybody,

now it is done. On Wednesday the 09.09.2009 we came together for the initial Founding of the Foswiki Association. After four hours of meeting it was created - articles explained and agreed, iInitial board elected as well as signatures approved with the notary. Afterwards we took a beer and had some nice chats. I guess we will manage to upload some pictures during the weekend.

Oh by the way…

This is the board:

1. Chairman             André Ulrich

2. Vice Chairman        Ingo Kappler

3. Treasurer            Oliver Krüger

4. Member of Board      Oliver Laudenbach

5. Member of Board      Markus Ueberall


Congratulations and thanks for the effort. Some of you did a lot of traveling to make this possible!!

Now we are waiting for the registration to receive legal status for the association. According to the notary this will take around four weeks. After that we can invite the community to become member, create an account, move domains and most important hold the community assembly!!!

For this assembly there is still a lot of work to do. Just write your points here  http://foswiki.org/Community/AgendaInitialCommunityAssembly .

The next step should be to agree about a date.


Best

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> This action was taken of using Wordpress without a vote of the community  
> and I would like to see it discussed and put to a vote. There is no  
> technology roadblock to getting started, even though I know there are  
> things to be fixed to improve foswiki for this application.

Here you are wrong. Martin asked a lot of times 'can we have a blog'. No-one,
including myself, offered to set it up on the foswiki platform. Therefore, the
community voted by being passive, imho.

> ---> THEREFORE, I move to use foswiki for the info placed in the  
> "official foswiki blog", even if it is somewhat weak right now.

Also, I think you are confusing things here. The blog is a marketing vehicle,
a means of keeping interested people up to date without having to wade through
dozens of irrelevant WebChange entries. Its a great tool! And unless foswiki
can offer what wordpress has to offer, we can not host a blog on foswiki (same
as on twiki, that thing they call a blog is not a blog).

The blog is not, in my eyes, a community discussion platform. We have a wiki
for that!

Dressing up some wiki pages and calling that a blog is only advertisement of how
foswiki is not a blog. If I had any say in it, i'd say please let's not do that.

As a sidenote, http://blog.wikiring.com/Blog shows that it can be done. I'm not
sure whether that blog supports pingback though, but pingback is an essential part
of blogging.

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Even if your tool is a hammer and the job at hand is to
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It is a general rule. Use your own tool.
My recollection is that at the time when this blog started, the Foswiki blog was unreliable, we were all extremely pressed for time (so nothing new there, then) and it was a case of "use what works", and none of the Foswiki blogs available at that time worked very well. That's a pretty good mantra, at the end of the day, because it gets something up and running quickly, and shows that we are open minded enough to accept that someone else can do "it" better (whatever "it" may be).

I don't actually care what we use for the blog,. I would far rather people put aside the debate about the tool we use for blogging about foswiki, and use those grey cells for..... blogging about foswiki.

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I am in full agreement with Koen.

What we need is more Marketing that conveys our message and no general  
rules on how one believes Marketing should work.

Raymond: if you want to support our marketing on the wiki you could  
help to add screenshots and marketing descriptions to our extensions  
pages for example.

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Am 21.09.2009 um 16:28 schrieb Koen Martens <[hidden email]>:

> On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:11:42PM +0800, Raymond Lutz wrote:
>> This action was taken of using Wordpress without a vote of the  
>> community
>> and I would like to see it discussed and put to a vote. There is no
>> technology roadblock to getting started, even though I know there are
>> things to be fixed to improve foswiki for this application.
>
> Here you are wrong. Martin asked a lot of times 'can we have a  
> blog'. No-one,
> including myself, offered to set it up on the foswiki platform.  
> Therefore, the
> community voted by being passive, imho.
>
>> ---> THEREFORE, I move to use foswiki for the info placed in the
>> "official foswiki blog", even if it is somewhat weak right now.
>
> Also, I think you are confusing things here. The blog is a marketing  
> vehicle,
> a means of keeping interested people up to date without having to  
> wade through
> dozens of irrelevant WebChange entries. Its a great tool! And unless  
> foswiki
> can offer what wordpress has to offer, we can not host a blog on  
> foswiki (same
> as on twiki, that thing they call a blog is not a blog).
>
> The blog is not, in my eyes, a community discussion platform. We  
> have a wiki
> for that!
>
> Dressing up some wiki pages and calling that a blog is only  
> advertisement of how
> foswiki is not a blog. If I had any say in it, i'd say please let's  
> not do that.
>
> As a sidenote, http://blog.wikiring.com/Blog shows that it can be  
> done. I'm not
> sure whether that blog supports pingback though, but pingback is an  
> essential part
> of blogging.
>
> Gr,
>
> Koen
>
>
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> it was a case of "use what works", and none of the Foswiki blogs  
> available at that time worked very well. That's a pretty good  
> mantra, at the end of the day, because it gets something up and  
> running quickly, and shows that we are open minded enough to accept  
> that someone else can do "it" better (whatever "it" may be).
>
> I don't actually care what we use for the blog,. I would far rather  
> people put aside the debate about the tool we use for blogging about  
> foswiki, and use those grey cells for..... blogging about foswiki.
>
> C.

Well said Crawford!

To others: I said it when the blog first went up and I'll say it  
again, using a dedicated blogging tool for blogging shows that when foswiki.org
  uses Foswiki for other tasks it's because Foswiki is the best at  
those tasks. For me, the official TWiki blog always made TWiki look  
bad. If someone does at some point make a Blog Contrib that makes  
Foswiki look good, then that would be a good time to switch.

If you're still angry over this how about a hypothetical question: why  
don't we use foswiki for source management instead of svn?

One other thought going forward would be to keep an eye on the Melody  
fork of the Moveable Type blogging system. It's a nice perl app that  
scales well (at least the MT blogging app does) and might lend itself  
to tighter integration with Foswiki.

To those who suggest immediate movement: How about setting up a  
development blog contrib in a web that denies guest? Put up a  
broadcast message saying we're still cleaning up wiring and painting  
the eave's and give a link to the wp blog.

Meanwhile we can implement everything short of pingbacks and  
Metaweblog API support in Foswiki directly (setting up coment plugin  
being the big hurdle). Then if someone implements the missing chunks  
in some elegant way going forward all that is needed is to drop in  
this new plugin and go. As I said I'm not opposed to making Foswiki an  
impressive blogging tool and using it as such. Lets just not put the  
cart before the horse by using Foswiki as a blog when it is missing  
things that visitors and potential users will notice.

If those of you who feel passionately about this direct that energy  
into creating the above web and plugin it will be all the more  
impressive when we move from the premiere open source blogging tool to  
Foswiki not because we have to out of pride, but because Foswiki makes  
a great blogging engine!

Just my two cents.

-Drew

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