Adobe Reader Saying Empty Document

[katherineschulz6266]

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Hello,

 

I received a PDF document from my doctor's office and when I opened it,   was told it was an empty document and Jaws could not read it.

 

I remember we had a discussion about this at one point but cannot recall what was said.  Can someone tell me how I can read this document using Jaws?

 

I am using XP Home and Jaws 9.

 

Katherine

[Chris Hallsworth]

You would need an OCR program to recognize the PDF document. Both OpenBook
and Kurzweil 1000 support PDF files, and you can even "print" to those
programs so that it recognizes and displays the recognized text
automatically.

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Hello,

I received a PDF document from my doctor's office and when I opened it,
was told it was an empty document and Jaws could not read it.

I remember we had a discussion about this at one point but cannot recall
what was said.  Can someone tell me how I can read this document using Jaws?

I am using XP Home and Jaws 9.

Katherine

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[Ray Foret jr]

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Kathy, it sounds to me like what you've got there is a .PDF that's really a scanned image of a document.  This will require you to run OCR on it.  IF you can't do this yourself because you don't have an OCR program on your machine, send it to me and I'll try to decode it for you.

 

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Hello,

 

I received a PDF document from my doctor's office and when I opened it,   was told it was an empty document and Jaws could not read it.

 

I remember we had a discussion about this at one point but cannot recall what was said.  Can someone tell me how I can read this document using Jaws?

 

I am using XP Home and Jaws 9.

 

Katherine

[Chris Smart]

If you can, perform OCR on the file by running it through K1000,
Openbook, or similar program. It's probably a pdf of a scanned image.

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[Alan Clendinen]

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Katherine,

Adobe Acrobat Reader will tell you that a PDF document is empty if there is only graphics in the document. If the graphic image has text in it, it is unreadable by JAWS because the text is just part of the image. The solution is to use an Optical Character Recognition (OCR) program, such as OpenBook, Abbey Fine Reader, ect. to convert the text in the image to screen-reader accessible text.

 

Alan

[Dave Carlson]

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Hmmm. Isn't there an OCR built into Acrobat Reader, in one of the menus?

 

Dave

 

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Katherine,

Adobe Acrobat Reader will tell you that a PDF document is empty if there is only graphics in the document. If the graphic image has text in it, it is unreadable by JAWS because the text is just part of the image. The solution is to use an Optical Character Recognition (OCR) program, such as OpenBook, Abbey Fine Reader, ect. to convert the text in the image to screen-reader accessible text.

 

Alan

[James Homuth]

I'm pretty sure there's not. I can't look at the version on this computer
to tell you for absolute certainty due to the fact this one's a little
less than stable, but since a lot of PDF authors do it for security
reasons, I don't believe Adobe gives users of their PDF reader an OCR
option.

James,
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On Sun, February 8, 2009 14:38, Dave Carlson wrote:
Hmmm. Isn't there an OCR built into Acrobat Reader, in one of the menus?

Dave

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  Katherine,
  Adobe Acrobat Reader will tell you that a PDF document is empty if there
is only graphics in the document. If the graphic image has text in it,
it is unreadable by JAWS because the text is just part of the image. The
solution is to use an Optical Character Recognition (OCR) program, such
as OpenBook, Abbey Fine Reader, ect. to convert the text in the image to
screen-reader accessible text.

  Alan


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[E.J. Zufelt]

Good afternoon,

I have never discovered any OCR options in Adobe Reader, perhaps one  
of their other products would have this feature.  From a marketing  
perspective it just wouldn't make sence to give away an OCR application.

If you're in a bind you can try the trial of Abby FineReader, which is  
one of the OCR applications included in Kurzweil 1000, and likely  
OpenBook, and which works quite well with JAWS.  I beileve that there  
is a limit to the number of pages that can be processed with the  
FineReader trial.

HTH,
Everett


On 8-Feb-09, at 3:47 PM, James Homuth wrote:

> I'm pretty sure there's not. I can't look at the version on this  
> computer
> to tell you for absolute certainty due to the fact this one's a little
> less than stable, but since a lot of PDF authors do it for security
> reasons, I don't believe Adobe gives users of their PDF reader an OCR
> option.
>
> James,
> List Admin
> On Sun, February 8, 2009 14:38, Dave Carlson wrote:
> Hmmm. Isn't there an OCR built into Acrobat Reader, in one of the  
> menus?
>
> Dave
>
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>  From: Alan Clendinen
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>  Sent: February 08, 2009 10:50 AM
>  Subject: re: Adobe Reader Saying Empty Document
>
>
>  Katherine,
>  Adobe Acrobat Reader will tell you that a PDF document is empty if  
> there
> is only graphics in the document. If the graphic image has text in it,
> it is unreadable by JAWS because the text is just part of the image.  
> The
> solution is to use an Optical Character Recognition (OCR) program,  
> such
> as OpenBook, Abbey Fine Reader, ect. to convert the text in the  
> image to
> screen-reader accessible text.
>
>  Alan
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[O.Addison Gethers]

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Hello Alan,

I do have openbook scanner software

Addison

 

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Katherine,

Adobe Acrobat Reader will tell you that a PDF document is empty if there is only graphics in the document. If the graphic image has text in it, it is unreadable by JAWS because the text is just part of the image. The solution is to use an Optical Character Recognition (OCR) program, such as OpenBook, Abbey Fine Reader, ect. to convert the text in the image to screen-reader accessible text.

 

Alan

[Ann byrne]

For Openbook to scan the PDF

1.  Open OpenBook
2.  Open the PDF
3.  From the files menus, select print
4. In the print dialog, choose Freedom Import printer and press okay.
5. Openbook should recognize and display the text in its own window.

Note:  If you have both OpenBook 7 and 8, you will need to find the
window asking you which one to use, and okay that before the
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[Dave Carlson]

Mea culpa. I use Adobe Acrobat, which does have an OCR under the document
menu. Sorry about that.

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I'm pretty sure there's not. I can't look at the version on this computer
to tell you for absolute certainty due to the fact this one's a little
less than stable, but since a lot of PDF authors do it for security
reasons, I don't believe Adobe gives users of their PDF reader an OCR
option.

James,
List Admin
On Sun, February 8, 2009 14:38, Dave Carlson wrote:
Hmmm. Isn't there an OCR built into Acrobat Reader, in one of the menus?

Dave

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  Katherine,
  Adobe Acrobat Reader will tell you that a PDF document is empty if there
is only graphics in the document. If the graphic image has text in it,
it is unreadable by JAWS because the text is just part of the image. The
solution is to use an Optical Character Recognition (OCR) program, such
as OpenBook, Abbey Fine Reader, ect. to convert the text in the image to
screen-reader accessible text.

  Alan


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[O.Addison Gethers]

Hello there,
Thank you for the instruction and I'm going to try it with my openbook .
Addison

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> For Openbook to scan the PDF
>
> 1.  Open OpenBook
> 2.  Open the PDF
> 3.  From the files menus, select print
> 4. In the print dialog, choose Freedom Import printer and press okay.
> 5. Openbook should recognize and display the text in its own window.
>
> Note:  If you have both OpenBook 7 and 8, you will need to find the window
> asking you which one to use, and okay that before the recognition phase
> can begin.
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[alice dampman]

Hi, Ann,
    Great instructions for open book! Now, can you or anyone else provide
similar instructions for Kurzweil? Does one have to print the pdf document
in order to scan it?
Thanks!
Alice
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> For Openbook to scan the PDF
>
> 1.  Open OpenBook
> 2.  Open the PDF
> 3.  From the files menus, select print
> 4. In the print dialog, choose Freedom Import printer and press okay.
> 5. Openbook should recognize and display the text in its own window.
>
> Note:  If you have both OpenBook 7 and 8, you will need to find the
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Basically you do the same thing with Kurzweil.  You would go to the
print dialog and select the kesi printer.  I don't know whether you
have to open k1000 first.  I think not, but try it and see.

Good luck!



At 08:32 PM 2/8/2009, you wrote:

>Hi, Ann,
>    Great instructions for open book! Now, can you or anyone else
> provide similar instructions for Kurzweil? Does one have to print
> the pdf document in order to scan it?
>Thanks!
>Alice
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>>For Openbook to scan the PDF
>>
>>1.  Open OpenBook
>>2.  Open the PDF
>>3.  From the files menus, select print
>>4. In the print dialog, choose Freedom Import printer and press okay.
>>5. Openbook should recognize and display the text in its own window.
>>
>>Note:  If you have both OpenBook 7 and 8, you will need to find the
>>window asking you which one to use, and okay that before the
>>recognition phase can begin.
>>
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Oh, thank you.  I just priced Open Book and there is no way that I can afford such a thing.  I wish they would not charge so much for important things like this, it makes some of us have to do without being able to read important documents.  I think it's sad, to say the least.  This is a health matter and is vital information.

 

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Kathy, it sounds to me like what you've got there is a .PDF that's really a scanned image of a document.  This will require you to run OCR on it.  IF you can't do this yourself because you don't have an OCR program on your machine, send it to me and I'll try to decode it for you.

 

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Hello,

 

I received a PDF document from my doctor's office and when I opened it,   was told it was an empty document and Jaws could not read it.

 

I remember we had a discussion about this at one point but cannot recall what was said.  Can someone tell me how I can read this document using Jaws?

 

I am using XP Home and Jaws 9.

 

Katherine

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Wouldn't an off the shelf OCR application like Omnipage have this
capability as well?

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[Cy Selfridge]

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Hi Katherine,

Well, you do *NOT* have to have OpenBook to be able to read printed materials.

Omni Book Pro or Abby Fine Reader will do a very competent job and create a Microsoft Word document which Window-Eyes, JAWS or Hal will read.

In fact, Abby Fine Reader is the engine (one of them) which OpenBook uses.

You are just paying a blamed high premium for some conveniences which (supposedly) OpenBook provides.

If you can not afford JAWS, Window-Eyes Hal or one of the high priced screen readers there is System Access (used to be called Freedom Book or something like that) can be rented by the month and it really will do a fairly competent job for you.

There are also some open source screen readers which are up and coming and, while not without fault, they are also without cost.

HTH,

Cy, The Anasazi…

 

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Oh, thank you.  I just priced Open Book and there is no way that I can afford such a thing.  I wish they would not charge so much for important things like this, it makes some of us have to do without being able to read important documents.  I think it's sad, to say the least.  This is a health matter and is vital information.

 

Katherine

 

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Subject: Re: Adobe Reader Saying Empty Document

 

Kathy, it sounds to me like what you've got there is a .PDF that's really a scanned image of a document.  This will require you to run OCR on it.  IF you can't do this yourself because you don't have an OCR program on your machine, send it to me and I'll try to decode it for you.

 

Sincerely,
The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray

 

"Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years abroad you come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own land" 
George Seferis

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: [hidden email]

To: [hidden email]

Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:00 AM

Subject: Adobe Reader Saying Empty Document

 

 

Hello,

 

I received a PDF document from my doctor's office and when I opened it,   was told it was an empty document and Jaws could not read it.

 

I remember we had a discussion about this at one point but cannot recall what was said.  Can someone tell me how I can read this document using Jaws?

 

I am using XP Home and Jaws 9.

 

Katherine

[Ray Foret jr]

Yes, in fact, it would.  I just used it to decipher and give Katherine back
her document in .txt form.

Sincerely,
The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray

"Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years abroad you
come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own land"
George Seferis

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From: "Chris Smart" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: Adobe Reader Saying Empty Document


Wouldn't an off the shelf OCR application like Omnipage have this
capability as well?

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You can download it from here:
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Does anyone have the link for the daisy plug in for Word that converts
Words
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