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Randy Galliano

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Hello,

I just received back the results of my ACTH Stimulation test.  Here they are:

Baseline        3.4
30 Min           8.6
60                 6.1

The endo says it is sluggish.  I don't have her final diagnosis yet, but when I read up on this test it sounds like more than sluggish!  Where can I read up more on this test?

Regards,

Randy.
ashley

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Randy,

This is definitely adrenal insufficiency. Your baseline should double *and* reach at least 20 by 60 minutes.
Dusty has a great link, I'm sure she'll post it when she reads this.
Did the endo. offer you any treatment? If not, you need to find another ASAP.

ashley
Idaho Dusty

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Hey Randy,

Long post!  Don't hesitate to ask more questions when you have them!

I'm no doctor but you've completely failed the ACTH stimulation test in my opinion!  Your endo is a moron if he thinks your response is "sluggish".  WIth 1000X the ACTH that your pituitary would stimulate your adrenal glands (in the case of a 250 mcg ACTH test), you didn't even stimulate into the normal range for morning cortisol.

GET HARDCOPIES OF YOUR RESULTS AND GO TO ANOTHER ENDO IMMEDIATELY!  You may want to request the following tests:  DHEA-S, Aldosterone, renin, sodium and potassium, pituitary panel if you can get it, antiadrenal antibodies, 17-OH progesterone (17-OH-progesterone is the substrate for subsequent 21- and 11-hydroxylation to produce cortisol. The two critical enzymes, 21-hydroxylase and 11-β-hydroxylase, participate in cortisol generation. If hydroxylation, at either position, cannot take place because of enzyme deficiency, cortisol synthesis decreases, accompanied by increased ACTH. Congenital adrenal hyperplasia and adrenogenital syndrome result from lack of normal glucocorticoids and buildup of precursors (mostly virilizing). Lack of 21-hydroxylase is the most common cause of adrenogenital syndrome. Congenital adrenal hyperplasia caused by 21-hydroxylase deficiency is the most common cause of female hermaphroditism.3 It is an autosomal recessive disorder. Basal 17-hydroxyprogesterone levels can be normal in late-onset 21-hydroxylase deficiency presenting as hirsutism. Such patients are described as having dramatically increased 17-hydroxyprogesterone response to ACTH.4 Patients with 21-hydroxylase deficiency have increased 17-ketosteroids, urine pregnanetriol, as well as high 17-hydroxyprogesterone. Prenatal diagnosis of congenital adrenal hyperplasia is possible by HLA typing, by DNA analysis, or by hormone measurements from amniotic fluid, including 17-hydroxyprogesterone.3 Some nonspecificity is seen when amniotic fluid analysis is used.5 Congenital adrenal hyperplasia with adult onset is among the causes of hirsutism and/or infertility.)

http://www.addisonssupport.com/homepage.htm  Go to: understanding the Adrenals and Cortisol  The chapter from Cecil's Medical text is good.  

From the LabCorp.com Endocrine Appendix:

ACTH Stimulation Test, One-hour

Screen for Adrenal Insufficiency

The ACTH stimulation test measures the functional integrity of the adrenal glands and their sensitivity to ACTH stimulation.1-5 Individuals with primary adrenal insufficiency fail to produce cortisol levels >18 μg/dL after ACTH stimulation. The test also indirectly assesses hypothalamic and pituitary function. When endogenous ACTH production is impaired by pituitary or hypothalamic dysfunction, the adrenal gland loses its capacity to respond to exogenous stimulation. It should be noted that there is a short period (up to three months) after the onset of pituitary/hypothalamic dysfunction during which the adrenals continue to respond to exogenous ACTH. Recent pituitary surgery or other debilitation of the pituitary/hypothalamic axis can produce misleading results. Generally, peak cortisol values >18 μg/dL at any point during the ACTH stimulation indicate adequate adrenal-pituitary-hypothalamic function. Peak cortisol results between 13 and 17 μg/dL are indeterminate and often become normal when ACTH stimulation testing is repeated. While the standard or low-dose ACTH stimulation test can be diagnostic of adrenal insufficiency when the response is subnormal, some patients with normal results may exhibit adrenal insufficiency in severely stressful situations (eg, surgery or trauma).6

Some investigators recommend measuring serum aldosterone levels along with cortisol. If the cortisol response is insufficient, the aldosterone levels can help localize the deficiency. The aldosterone response in a cosyntropin test is blunted or absent in patients with primary adrenal insufficiency. In secondary or tertiary adrenal insufficiency, aldosterone response is normal (an increase of two times baseline) because the renin-angiotensin axis is not affected by decreased endogenous ACTH.

Protocol: Draw blood for baseline cortisol with or without aldosterone. Inject cosyntropin 250 μg (see note below) IM or IV. (if IV, dilute cosyntropin in 2-5 mL of sterile saline and inject over two minutes). Draw blood for cortisol (with or without aldosterone) at 30 and 60 minutes after injection.

Orderable Tests: 028498 Cortisol x3; 053272 Aldosterone x3

Note: The standard, high-dose ACTH stimulation test involves the administration of 250 μg of cosyntropin. The resultant concentration is super-physiologic (ie, in vast excess to endogenous concentrations of ACTH). Stimulation studies with a more physiologic concentration (1 μg) of cosyntropin have been described.7 This low-dose ACTH stimulation protocol may be more sensitive than the traditional 250 μg test. Cortisol cutoff levels used for the low-dose test are the same as those used for the traditional test. Aldosterone levels during the low-dose test have not been documented. Use of low-dose ACTH has not been documented for testing for CAH.
Idaho Dusty

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Labs to also ask for if you can get someone to run them:  TSH, FT3, FT4
Randy

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Thank you for the great information.  I also have to point out that the endo informed me that since the ACTH test I took above was taken at 3:30pm, she said it not a good test.
Joel

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I am not a doctor but I don't see why it matters if it was done at 3:30 your adrenal glands should still respond which they they did not. Time of day would only matter if they where just checking your cortisol level without a stim test. Agree on getting your thyroid TSH, free T3, free T4 levels. You should also have your ACTH level check first thing the morning.
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Randy
The baseline cortisol may be affected by the time of day (but your level is still pretty low)
The ACTH medicine that they inject should stimulate your adrenals....no matter what time of day!!
Could be time for a second opinion, especially if you feel lousy, and this doctor is on the fence as to whether this test is normal.
Hope you things go smoothly moving foward.
Shannon
Randy

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Thank you for all your great comments. I had to re-take the ACTH stimulus test yesterday.  Here are the results:

Base            12.1
30min           15.0
60min           17.5

I won't see the ACTH base level until next week along with a Rennin level also.

I don't know how accurate this link is:  http://www.acthstimulationtest.com/interpretation, but according to it, I would easily have adrenal insufficiency, probably Primary.  I will see next week what the endo says.  She is the 2nd one I am working with now because the first didn't even want to acknowledge the problem.  I am getting disillusioned with the medical community.
Randy

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I am on 20 mg of cortisone, but didn't take any for about 14hours before the test.

I have been deathly sick many times now.  Once in the hospital with severe dehydration, very low blood pressure, severe diarrhoea, to mention a few of the symptoms.  Last year I hiked a very steep and small mountain in WA.  The elevation gain was about 1500', climbing over logged off territory.  It was very stressful work, but I enjoyed it.  After reaching back to our camp about 2 hours later, we were going to have dinner and I started getting weak.  Then I got sick to my stomache, headach, etc..  I went to the tent where the (it has happened many times over 15 years) intensity rose to the point I was throwing up and couldn't lift my head to throw up.  It felt like flu x 5.  I almost passed out the pain was so intense.  My wife knew what to do and somehow got some water, salt, and cortisone down me.  After an hour, I was able to take 20mg of cortisone, and within 45 min the symptoms started to reduce.  She gave me 20 more mg and I started to feel good enough to move.  After another 20 mg, the symtoms became low level and I finally fell asleep.  The next day I had what was like a severe hangover, but compared to the night before, it was a blessing!

This happens to me when I work out.  Often I will get a milder form of what I described above.  Mild certainly is relative.  It seems like working out or physical stress causes me to run into this problem.

Does anybody else have similar experiences?

Regards,

Randy.
Idaho Dusty

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According to Cecil's Medical Text (linked in a previous post in this string), you're primary.  You should have been on Dex for 2 - 3 weeks prior to the ACTH stim test though.

Being disillusioned with the medical community is the best way to be.  Addison's is so rare that doctors DON'T study up on it and they don't know their stuff.  You need to know your stuff to get the best treatment.  Please print out the chapter in Cecil's Medical text, make a copy for your doctor and highlight the part about the stim test results.

Why were you on hydrocortisone?

Yes, fatigue and nausea is common if you're under treated or undiagnosed with Addison's.

Here's a blog post about exercising and Addison's:  http://addisonssupport.blogspot.com/2008/02/training-setting-goals-and-getting.html  I'm no doctor but these techniques have worked well for me.

:) Dusty
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Hi Dusty,

Thank you for your comments.  The reason I am on Cortisone is because 20 years ago I was diagnosed with adrenal insufficiency via an ACTH stimulation, and the 48 hour urine stimulation tests.  Since then, I went through a divorce, lost my home records, and years elapsed since the original diagnosis, so I can't retrieve the original tests.  My insurance changed and I am with Kaiser in Vancouver, WA.  They don't want to continue prescribing cortisone w/out being absolutely sure.  The fist endo made fun of me, and my wife got mad at him, so he walked out of the office and referred us on.  The 2nd endo has been working with me at this point.  She is much more compassionate, and she was very concerned when she saw my resting level starting at 3.4.  She called immediately, and had a phone consultation with me.  She then said, we need to retake the test in the morning to get a cleaner baseline.  She is also measuring aldosterone, rennin, and some other stuff that I don't know about yet.  It will be a week getting them back.  The orginal Dr. to help with my diagnosis was Dr. Jeffries, who wrote a famous medical book called "The Safe Uses of Cortisone."  I read the book and contacted him just before he passed away.  He had over 1000 patient years of experience, and was a pioneer in physiological doses of steroids.  As the years have gone by, I am finding it harder to get good help with this condition.  Noboby, has helped me get these meds straightened out.  I am contemplating getting on a more general, but expensive medical plan that at least will give me the freedom of going to whomever I wish.

You talked about being on dex before the test.  What does this actually do?  Also you asked why I was on cortisone.  Was your question related to why I am on it in the first place, or do you and others get better results on other steroids such as prednisone, cortisone acitate, etc..

I really appreciate your and everybody's willingness answer some of my questions.  I feel like I am just sponging from everybody, and hopefully, I can help others also!

Regards,

Randy
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Randy,

Wow, you actually knew Dr. Jeffries? His book is the reason I began asking for testing/treatment for AI. He was an amazing physician.

hope that you find a doctor who will help.

ashley
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It was amazing how I found him.  A great holistic MD told me to get his book.  I read it, had the testing and tracked him down on the phone.  I found him on the 2nd call.  He called me back, looked at the ACTH and urine tests for me, and spent at least an hour on the phone.  All I know is that he was a great man, and I appreciate him deeply.  He died about 1/2 year after I talked with him.  
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Randy,

I have to say, I'm in awe that you got to meet Jeffries and have him treat you!  He was the guru of AI!

It's amazing that an insurance company would a)  question your diagnosis after 20 years b)  have you tested incorrectly  c)  regardless of your diagnosis, get you off steroids after 20 years.

Have you had DHEA-S and Testosterone tested (total, free, % free)?

I don't know why you'd need to be on dex for 2-3 weeks but I would suspect that it's because dex is not detected by the test (it's synthetic) and hydrocortisone is chemically identical to cortisol that your body produces.  Maybe being on dex for so long decreases the chances that there's any residual cortisol in the body.  Just a guess.  I know HC has a short half life so I don't really know!

I'm on HC and am happy with my results with it (pred makes me mean and fat!).  I was asking why you were on HC because it's atypical for people to be on long term steroids and then get an ACTH stim test.  

Do you supplement DHEA?  Have any other conditions?  On any other meds?  At what times and in what doses do you take your HC?

Keep sponging!  You need to be the best you that you can be and asking questions is the best way to do it!

:) Dusty
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Hi Randy,

Sorry to hear you're being put through the ringer. Stupid insurance!

My understanding is that once a person is on steroids for a long period of time, he/she will have some degree of AI regardless of the state of adrenals prior to treatment. This is just because of the suppressive nature of steroids. HC can affect cortisol levels during the stim test, and I have also read that switching to Dex prior to testing is a way around this. Dex may suppress the baseline cortisol number, but it shouldn't affect the stimmed value. If I can find the official links for this I'll post them here.

However, I've been told my my current endo that switching to/giving Dex prior to the test is a practice usually reserved for people who either aren't being treated yet (in which case it's given as a stress dose to prevent crisis) or who have only been treated for a short time. He told me that once a person has been on treatment for an extended period of time, the only way to really "make sure" about the AI is to (slowly) wean completely off of steroids for a period of weeks, give the adrenals a chance to recover, and retest. This is just one doc's opinion, and obviously you can't do this since you have AI, so I guess the point is moot!!! Just wanted to pass it along for what it's worth.

As the others here have said, your stim test is clearly indicative of AI and should be enough proof for your insurance company, in my mind! But the other tests should certain solidify things beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Is your AI autoimmune? Do you have other autoimmune endocrine or GI problems? If so, those could be used as supporting information (hypothyroid, Celiac, atrophic gastritis, hypoparathyroid, vitiligo, hypogonadism).

Nice to have you here!

Take care,
Leigh
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Dollsie,

I do believe my AI is autoimmune.  I do have allergies to food, and celiac or gluten issues.  Lately, the allergies are getting worse, so this is frustrating.  Hypoglycemia is a constant problem.  It is very common for my BS to be at 58-65, and often an hour after eating it rises to no more than 85.  I must say though, I deserve the HG because I know that I shouldn't be having any sugars, even in fruit, and lately I have had it.  So, I need to get this back under control because it seems to precipitate adrenal issues.

Randy.
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OK, here are some other tests I have had in the past 3 months:

tsh   -     2.4
Fasting Glucose - 75

Free T3 280 pg/dL 210-440
T3, Total 118 ng/dL 97-219
Thyr Peroxidase Ab   < 10
Sodium   137   ; This was when taking 15mg cortisone / day, reduced for ACTH testing.
Potassium   3.7
Glucose, Random   75
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Randy,

Unbelievable!! Insurance compainies are morons.  Its not like HC is expensive.  As my endo noted to me: the much more expensive option is to take you off the HC, and have you wind up in the ER.  Duh!

I think that if this new endo is simply willing to call it AI based on your results then Kaiser should stop asking questions.  Technically dex surpresses your HPA (hypothalamic pituitary adrenal) axis less.  But really one would need to be off HC for 2 straight weeks to get a reading. But it does not matter because you would be in danger and possibly end up in ER if you tried to do this.  So hopefully this new endo will say these test results are sufficient enough (which truly they are)

Once they put you back on the HC, hopefully you can be on a dose that helps you feel normal.  
Best of luck,
Shannon
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Randy,

Do you take Florinef? If you are primary (high ACTH) you should be taking Florinef.
It could explain why you don't feel better. Also DHEA can be helpful 25 to 50mg

Joel
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Test results - renin, acth

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Well, I had to fight with the clinic to get them to release my tests today.  They didn't want to release the numbers because the values were out of range.  Here are all my tests while I had dropped my daily Hydro Cortisone from 25mg to 15mg/day for about a month prior to the test.  I didn't feel good during this time, but it is what they wanted for the testing:

9:00am Test
Resting ACTH - 52

Cortisol
0min       -     12.1
30min     -     15.0
60min     -     17.5

3:00pm Test (I was told this was invalid due to the time of the day, nevertheless, it shows a very sluggish response)

Baseline        3.4
30 Min           8.6
60                 6.1

The endo did seem concerned and told me to get back on Cortisone, 15mg morning, 5mg noon, 5mg 4-5PM.

I don't understand the renin level, but it does appear to be above the top of the range.  The ACTH resting didn't seem to bad.  Could both the adrenals and the pituitary be suppressed?

Regards,

Randy.
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