5 day delivery

[jen]

Just heard today that in approximately 55 days we are going to 5 day delivery.  Has anybody else heard this?  East coast

[Bulldawg]

On Fri. wewatche da video on preparing for 5 day delivery, this Fri. video will talk about how it will effect the employees.It was stated that we are preparing to go to congress to ask for it again but, want to have everything prepared for it first. What were you told?

[jen]

We haven't watched any videos.  Our PM told us today that if we do not take cost saving measures quickly that the PO may go under.  

[gjtrisa]

I am hearing all kinds of rumors but I don't believe them.  I really think it would take months, not days, to go to 5 days.  Remember it took 10 years to implement DPS and now it has already been 4 years for FSS and how many offices have FSS? Not many. 


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Subject: 5 day delivery

Just heard today that in approximately 55 days we are going to 5 day delivery.  Has anybody else heard this?  East coast

[gjtrisa]

Do you really think the US government would allow that to happen?  The economy would collapse it they banks cannot get their money from their credit card bills to start with the short list of issues.  Can you imagine the international tongue wagging if part of the government collapsed?  Do not buy into the scare tactics.


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Subject: Re: 5 day delivery

We haven't watched any videos.  Our PM told us today that if we do not take cost saving measures quickly that the PO may go under.  

[Hudson Valley Rural]

 Last week we heard the same news, going to 5 day in 60 days. Turns out, as best as we can figure, the Post Office has only developed a PLAN on HOW to go to 5 day in a 60 day time frame ONCE 5 day is approved by congress. So it's not going to 5 day in 60 days, but if congress ever approves it, than they can get there in 60 days. Except they will have to give our union 90 days notice according to our contract anyway.

[RogerR]

Potter has said publicly that the USPS will give at least 6 months notice to the public after the decision is made to go to 5 days, and that decision cannot be made until Congress approves.

That's why the target date was set to be " by the start of Fiscal 2011 (Oct 1, 2010)".

What you have heard are rumors started by folks who can't distinguish between 2009 and 2010.

[middle of nowhere]

    banks caring if you don't get your checks to them on time?  i don't think so, that is one of their biggest money makers they have - late fees.  that is why laws are changing on how long before due dates that you have to receive statements.

[daboysdada]

I would be willing to bet that we have another national count next spring and if the volume decline warrants it then we would go to a 5 day delivery. The other thing to consider is the contract is not up until October of 2010. There would have to be time depending on what they would do to adjust routes and what not. My route is currently a 45K on a six day delivery cycle, if you divide that by five instead my route which is still growing would be considered overburdened by the current standards. I was told by my PM a few weeks ago that we would go to five day in October of this year but will believe it when I see it.

[femail724]

I've been a carrier for 30 yrs,this past month the postmaster was sent 3 videos about how the 5 day deliver will work. I heard that oct.1 is when it's to be presented to congress to vote on it.Sooooooooooo who knows?????

[KJD]

Our PM brought it up just today. Basically said we are going to 5 day delivery. First time our PM EVER said it would happen, even a few months ago he said it would not ever get passed and now he says it will happen. No timeline though.

[cj]

The USPS is losing 7 BILLION A YEAR. That is over a half a Billion a month. A quarter a BILLION every pay period.  If they can save money and quickly by eliminating Saturday delivery why would they not. Seriously, how many of your customers remove their mail daily? Three times a week more like it.
Most of my businesses do not get Saturday delivery now. If by eliminating one sixth of their cost right away I do not see where we will be delivering mail on Saturdays in six months or a year. Every career employee, PM included loses one sixth of their weekly income. Sucks since I am a sub on a K route....

[WV Rural girl]

Other than losing one day of pay, and I am not sure how that would all work out anyway with a K route, lots of miles, etc. my biggest problem is that the 5 day delivery is not across the board. Real savings would be felt if no post office was open on Saturdays, no one got mail whether they were PO boxes or street deliveries. No clerks sorting, no 204Bs sitting, etc. Besides which, I can't believe that the post office would be able to get away with such blatant discrimination in the fact that only post office box holders could receive mail. I wonder if one of the big boys that go after discrimination cases wouldn't jump on that in a hurry. My post office has no spare boxes to rent..their is always a waiting list plus office is so small that there is no room to put any more boxes. Already a door has been utilized and po boxes installed in it....I saw all three videos about the 5 day delivery and how it would be implemented. I think it is so bogus....and discriminatory not only against customers with street delivery but also against   carriers both rural and city. Is it just another way management protects their job and money? Of course it is.

[cj]

How would it be disrimination? Don't the po box holders PAY for that service?

[aggie12]

I believe 5 day delivery is the way best alternative 4 the PO. I believe all routes should be made 40k eleminating over time accross the board. There are several ways to do this 10hour work days 4 days a week for the regular with subs getting the 5th day. One sub assigned several routes with the regulars off on different days, such as one regular off on monday, another tuesday and so on.By doing this yes regulars make less but only work 4 days but enableing the subs to get 20 to 30 hours on the average week. Regulars wanting to work thier off days could get on a work relief list and be used when needed. Alternative number 2 regular work 5 eight hour days and subs be assigned an area instead of a office and may work several different offices in a weeks span but keeping enough hours not to leave the post office.

[murphy]

dang aggie 12-i wish YOU were management! sounds like an awesome plan to me!

[z1916d]

IFFFFFFF they ever go to 5 day delivery they should shut the post office down completely on the day they chose not to deliver.......... Hey just change it to post office is open 5 days a week period...........this would eliminate clerk, mail handler and management hours and mail transportation costs on the day the po is closed not to mention heating and cooling cost......... not just rural and city carrier cost. imagine this: if the po was shut down Saturday and Sunday every Monday would be just like the day after a holiday, imagine when there is a Monday holiday we would be swimming in mail on the Tuesday after the three days being closed...... maybe carriers will work 4 10 hour days and a sub will do the 5th day......... hmmmmmmm 6 days worth of mail being delivered in 5 days interesting.......... now if they still made regular carriers work 5 days many subs will quit and when the regulars want time off or are sick they wouldn't be able to get time off. How many carriers would quit after having to deal with the mail after the po being closed for three days when there was a Monday holiday. Also if 5 day delivery is implemented the daily route evaluation will increase, some routes will become overburdened and from this new auxiliary and regular routes will be created costing the po more money for benefits . Stupid is as stupid does

[cj]

Do you think anyone cares how 'bad' a day after a holiday with 5 day delivery will be for the carriers?????????????? It is all about cutting costs. Seriously, what percentage of your customers empty their mail box daily????  50%???   If it makes the postal service a viable business i think 5 day carrier work week is coming sooner rather than later. The usps has to stop the bleeding. Sucks though!

[RogerR]

10hour work days 4 days a week for the regular with subs getting the 5th day.

Not gonna happen.  There is a significant percentage of rural offices in this country where there isn't time between the availability of the mail in the morning and the final dispatch truck in the afternoon for a 10 hour day.  Now throw in heavy days, inclement weather, etc.  

That would be creating a mess.  

[Phil74501]

How would they handle that "4 10 hours days, subs get the 5th day" if there isn't a sub?  We have 9 routes, and 5 subs.  Be an awful long day for those subs on Fridays.  They'd end up working 15 hour days.