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I figured it was about time we had a thread for the admin. tasks needed
for 2.0 (such as Manual, Translations, web site), instead of scattered
in different threads, so here goes...


| From Bill Wharrie <[hidden email]>
| Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:40:29 -0500
| Subject: [Audacity-devel] Large commit coming -- VS project will need updating
> On 4-Nov-09, at 7:15 PM, Martyn Shaw wrote:
>
> > Manual is great!  We need more hands on that!  In my opinion it does
> > not have to be perfect for 2.0...

A break from "tradition", and it won't be perfect (that's one of the
"consequences to be suffered" of "sticking to a date", and of the limited
notice given of that date. :=). It will be as good as can be without
everyone getting hernias on the way there:=)  And we've been aiming
higher than before, I think, too.

The Manual will definitely need a "disclaimer".

I've now sent Ed and Vidyashakar details of their accounts on the
Manual, as they kindly offered to help. Thanks!


> ... but obviously not have majorshortcomings.  

What's there is presentable visually, mostly not yet fully checked over
for correct content, but likely to be "pretty good" from what I've seen.
If it wasn't for Bill and John, we'd be nowhere near. Thanks, both.  

Any "consistency" problems such as "all pages in a section presenting
content in the same way" will have to be left for post 2.0. Content
matters more.

There are definite gaps (whole pages or sections), mostly because
they need specialist technical input from the authors of those parts of
the program. Off the top of my head, Compressor, Truncate Silence and
Plot Spectrum would be examples. Phil's told me he hopes to help with
some of that soon. We may need to keep track of those special cases
here.  

"Accessibility" is missing but I hope David Bailes will be able to deal
with that. Let us know if you are still on track with that, please David.  

 
> > I'm not doing 'manual' stuff.

I couldn't rule out your being asked for some specific help for one or two
bits.  

One specific about the compressor. You said you could take out the
yellow threshold line for 2.0. Would you like to do that?  It would help
documentation and support issues arising from the "pinned to upper
right" change.  

As to what I might do, I'd given myself the job of approving pages for
release, and updating FAQ and Quick Help. Don't know. Still have loads
of Audacity e-mail to do every day before starting to read here. I'll make
a stab at Quick Help. FAQ may not be updated. I think "approving" could
be done more cursorily than I'd have liked (that's something others on
Team might be able to help with). But with the "disclaimer", I suppose
we don't have to worry "too" much.      


> > I remember now that I thought about marking any pages about 'linking'
> > as 'not for the included manual'.  Are there any and how do we mark
> > them as such, I don't recall.
>
> James had some input on that, and here's what it looks like:
>
> http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Label_Tracks#Linking_labels_with_audio_tracks
>
> Similar alert boxes whenever the manual refers to linking.

I agree with Martyn that a "1.3.10 Beta" with "linking on" makes no
sense in the current position. Instead of the alert saying "It is
available in the beta versions of Audacity for 1.3.x and later", I
suggest when we release 2.0 we say "It was last available in 1.3.9
Beta" and give them a link.  

 
> As I recall, the decision was made not to hide the sections as there  
> will likely be some 1.3.x users referring to the manual, plus we'll  
> want it included once the next 2.x beta with linking enabled is  
> released.
>
> But Gale is the one to talk to about these kinds of policy decisions.  
> I'm just a worker drone. ;-)

Or James, if he has the time. Online will see the text with the explanation
that linking is only in Beta. The manual dump will exclude it.


*Translations*

Translations of the Manual are ongoing, using the ad-hoc system of
adding a locale suffix to each page. No translations will be complete,
(or were expected to be), though a group of French translators were
hoping to complete had we more time than we now do.

Post 2.0, I hope we will get more interest in translating the Manual. If so,
we should revisit if we can have a better "system" such as language
subdomains, and automated indications of whether a translated version
of a given page is available.

Software translations aren't too badly off for the most important languages
as far as I can see. But we should declare a string freeze and give
translators a chance to do their job at the earliest opportunity. If the string
freeze is still a little way off, shouldn't we warn translators now what's
going on? Shall I do that, or Richard, maybe?






Gale


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> "Accessibility" is missing but I hope David Bailes will be able to deal
> with that. Let us know if you are still on track with that, please David.

yes,
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Gale Andrews wrote:
> I figured it was about time we had a thread for the admin. tasks needed
> for 2.0 (such as Manual, Translations, web site), instead of scattered
> in different threads, so here goes...

Could be useful, if not too wordy...

Please delete the bits you are not responding to, and there are many bits.

> | From Bill Wharrie <[hidden email]>
> | Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:40:29 -0500
> | Subject: [Audacity-devel] Large commit coming -- VS project will need updating
>> On 4-Nov-09, at 7:15 PM, Martyn Shaw wrote:
>>
>>> Manual is great!  We need more hands on that!  In my opinion it does
>>> not have to be perfect for 2.0...
>
> A break from "tradition", and it won't be perfect (that's one of the
> "consequences to be suffered" of "sticking to a date", and of the limited
> notice given of that date. :=).

Indeed, and things weren't perfect in the past either.  "Nothing's
perfect" is better than "nothing's out there".

It will be as good as can be without
> everyone getting hernias on the way there:=)  And we've been aiming
> higher than before, I think, too.
>
> The Manual will definitely need a "disclaimer".

Indeed.

> I've now sent Ed and Vidyashakar details of their accounts on the
> Manual, as they kindly offered to help. Thanks!

Excellent!

>> ... but obviously not have majorshortcomings.  
>
> What's there is presentable visually, mostly not yet fully checked over
> for correct content, but likely to be "pretty good" from what I've seen.
> If it wasn't for Bill and John, we'd be nowhere near. Thanks, both.  

Thanks indeed!  Loads of good work going on in impossible conditions
(trying to document a moving target).

...

>>> I'm not doing 'manual' stuff.
>
> I couldn't rule out your being asked for some specific help for one or two
> bits.  

OK, but wikicode does my head in.  Ask away and I'll try.

> One specific about the compressor. You said you could take out the
> yellow threshold line for 2.0. Would you like to do that?  It would help
> documentation and support issues arising from the "pinned to upper
> right" change.  

Done.

>...  Still have loads
> of Audacity e-mail to do every day before starting to read here.

You could stop doing that for a few days, let a few people down for
the sake of the masses.  100 people email you and 10,000 read the
manual (I hope).  Prioritise.  Set an automatic-response saying that
you are addressing issues for the upcoming release.  They get stuff
for free and so should understand.

...

>>> I remember now that I thought about marking any pages about 'linking'
>>> as 'not for the included manual'.  Are there any and how do we mark
>>> them as such, I don't recall.
>> James had some input on that, and here's what it looks like:
>>
>> http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Label_Tracks#Linking_labels_with_audio_tracks
>>
>> Similar alert boxes whenever the manual refers to linking.
>
> I agree with Martyn that a "1.3.10 Beta" with "linking on" makes no
> sense in the current position. Instead of the alert saying "It is
> available in the beta versions of Audacity for 1.3.x and later", I
> suggest when we release 2.0 we say "It was last available in 1.3.9
> Beta" and give them a link.  

Sounds OK to me.  Limited audience?

>> As I recall, the decision was made not to hide the sections as there  
>> will likely be some 1.3.x users referring to the manual, plus we'll  
>> want it included once the next 2.x beta with linking enabled is  
>> released.
>>
>> But Gale is the one to talk to about these kinds of policy decisions.  
>> I'm just a worker drone. ;-)

No, we make collective decisions here.  Gale does not have the final
say on what I do and I do not have the final say on what he does.
Same for yourself.  Describing yourself as a "worker drone" is
derogatory, I feel.  You do a lot of good work, and surely it isn't
all directed by Gale?  Even if it was, I value your input.

None of us are 'always right'.


> Or James, if he has the time. Online will see the text with the explanation
> that linking is only in Beta. The manual dump will exclude it.
>
>
> *Translations*
>
> Translations of the Manual are ongoing, using the ad-hoc system of
> adding a locale suffix to each page. No translations will be complete,
> (or were expected to be), though a group of French translators were
> hoping to complete had we more time than we now do.
>
> Post 2.0, I hope we will get more interest in translating the Manual. If so,
> we should revisit if we can have a better "system" such as language
> subdomains, and automated indications of whether a translated version
> of a given page is available.
>
> Software translations aren't too badly off for the most important languages
> as far as I can see. But we should declare a string freeze and give
> translators a chance to do their job at the earliest opportunity. If the string
> freeze is still a little way off, shouldn't we warn translators now what's
> going on? Shall I do that, or Richard, maybe?

 From what I recall, a string-freeze is normal in these situations.  A
'translation plea' is probably what we are after.  Please call one
now, one of you, (Richard or Gale) and inform translators (I don't
know how to do that).  Others, please don't change strings in the code
from now on, unless you have to.  I guess we should have a 'string
freeze' a week before release?

TTFN
Martyn


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On 5-Nov-09, at 8:48 PM, Martyn Shaw wrote:

But Gale is the one to talk to about these kinds of policy decisions.  
I'm just a worker drone. ;-)

No, we make collective decisions here.  Gale does not have the final
say on what I do and I do not have the final say on what he does.
Same for yourself.  Describing yourself as a "worker drone" is
derogatory, I feel.  You do a lot of good work, and surely it isn't
all directed by Gale?  Even if it was, I value your input.

None of us are 'always right'.


Well, I did have a wink after that sentence! It was more a comment that I'm very new here (less than two months), and still probably don't have the big picture. I understand collective decision-making, and it's been shown to me that committees (when properly run) make better decisions than individuals. And you may have noticed that I'm not reticent to make my opinions known about UI and usability issues.

As for the manual, my goal from the beginning has been to "get text on the page". I don't mind writing stuff that gets reverted (though that has yet to happen), or creating pages that are eventually deleted or orphaned. We can't make decisions on what goes in the manual until we can read something and say "that works" or "that doesn't work".

I hope that when 2.0 is released the manual will have no empty pages, and no pages with notes saying "can someone who understands this control document what it does?"

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Bill Wharrie wrote:
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> I hope that when 2.0 is released the manual will have no empty pages,
> and no pages with notes saying "can someone who understands this control
> document what it does?"

So where do I find a list of what it required?

Martyn

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On 6-Nov-09, at 5:24 PM, Martyn Shaw wrote:



Bill Wharrie wrote:
...
I hope that when 2.0 is released the manual will have no empty pages,
and no pages with notes saying "can someone who understands this control
document what it does?"

So where do I find a list of what it required?

Martyn


Needs descriptions of other "windows" under the Function heading.

Description of Gain, Range and Frequency Gain controls.

How to effectively use the "Minimum Free Memory" option.


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> > Software translations aren't too badly off for the most important languages
> > as far as I can see. But we should declare a string freeze and give
> > translators a chance to do their job at the earliest opportunity. If the string
> > freeze is still a little way off, shouldn't we warn translators now what's
> > going on? Shall I do that, or Richard, maybe?
>
>  From what I recall, a string-freeze is normal in these situations.  A
> 'translation plea' is probably what we are after.  Please call one
> now, one of you, (Richard or Gale) and inform translators (I don't
> know how to do that).
Email has gone out putting us in string freeze as of now. Other code
changes carry on, but anything in _("") (translatable strings) is now
frozen. You can however duplicate exisiting translatable strings without
causing issues.

> Others, please don't change strings in the code from now on, unless you have to.
I.e. I will want a good reason why we are changing strings this close to
release. Note that we have to attack screenshots for the manual as well,
so it's not just the translators you are messing around if you modify
the strings now.

Richard


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> On 6-Nov-09, at 5:24 PM, Martyn Shaw wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Bill Wharrie wrote:
>> ...
>>> I hope that when 2.0 is released the manual will have no empty pages,
>>> and no pages with notes saying "can someone who understands this control
>>> document what it does?"
>>
>> So where do I find a list of what it required?
>>
>> Martyn
>>
>
> http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Analyze_Menu#Plot_Spectrum...
> Needs descriptions of other "windows" under the Function heading.
>
> http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Spectrogram_Preferences
> Description of Gain, Range and Frequency Gain controls.

OK, I did those 2, and added another image.  Please review for style
and content and let me have any feedback, I don't do this much.

> http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Directory_Preferences
> How to effectively use the "Minimum Free Memory" option.

Sorry, I don't know.

> http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Recovery
> Needs to be written!

I suspect that I don't know either, but this isn't a useful link.

> http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Devices_Preferences
> What is the function and use of the "Host" control?

Again, I don't really know.  I'm sure this is OS specific.

Any others I could help on (that's not a promise to do it ;-))

TTFN
Martyn

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> > http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Devices_Preference
> >s What is the function and use of the "Host" control?
>
> Again, I don't really know.  I'm sure this is OS specific.
>

"Host" is for the situation where there are multiple audio
libraries/subsystems available on a platform.  For example, on Linux
it lets you choose between ALSA and OSS; there is probably only one
choice on Mac and Windows.

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Thanks, that's what I needed to know. I will add it to the manual.

-- Bill

On 7-Nov-09, at 8:10 PM, Al Dimond wrote:

> On Saturday 07 November 2009 17:47:49 Martyn Shaw wrote:
>>> http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Devices_Preference
>>> s What is the function and use of the "Host" control?
>>
>> Again, I don't really know.  I'm sure this is OS specific.
>>
>
> "Host" is for the situation where there are multiple audio
> libraries/subsystems available on a platform.  For example, on Linux
> it lets you choose between ALSA and OSS; there is probably only one
> choice on Mac and Windows.
>
> - Al


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Further to Ed asking if the maximum number of project windows
should be documented in the Manual,  Bill asked me off list
whether some pages in the Manual should note current bugs
relevant to that page. My view is not. The Release Notes is the
place for that.

However there might possibly be a case for moving the Release
Notes (currently on the main Wiki) into the Manual Wiki, to
increase its visibility. Not sure if we did that whether we'd
want to include it in the Manual dump and zip, because it would
duplicate part of the existing README.




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| From Martyn Shaw <[hidden email]>
| Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:47:49 +0000
| Subject: [Audacity-devel] 2.0 Release

>
>
> Bill Wharrie wrote:
> >
> > On 6-Nov-09, at 5:24 PM, Martyn Shaw wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Bill Wharrie wrote:
> >> ...
> >>> I hope that when 2.0 is released the manual will have no empty pages,
> >>> and no pages with notes saying "can someone who understands this control
> >>> document what it does?"
> >>
> >> So where do I find a list of what it required?
> >>
> >> Martyn
> >>
>
> > ...
>>    http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Directory_Preferences
>>  How to effectively use the "Minimum Free Memory" option.
>
>
> Sorry, I don't know.

I can do that one later today.  


> > http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Recovery
> > Needs to be written!
>
> I suspect that I don't know either, but this isn't a useful link.

Can you force quit in a project so you can get an image on the
page of the recovery dialogue? That's the best way to start.


 
> > http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Devices_Preferences
> > What is the function and use of the "Host" control?
>
> Again, I don't really know.  I'm sure this is OS specific.

I've already done that.


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| Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:47:49 +0000
| Subject: [Audacity-devel] 2.0 Release
>
> Any others I could help on (that's not a promise to do it ;-))

Do you know what settings the Import/Export presets commands
under the File Menu relate to (enabled when CleanSpeech is on)?
Or Richard maybe?  See the editornote div at bottom of:
http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Interface_Preferences



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> Further to Ed asking if the maximum number of project windows
> should be documented in the Manual,  Bill asked me off list
> whether some pages in the Manual should note current bugs
> relevant to that page. My view is not. The Release Notes is the
> place for that.
>  
+1 (on "don't add to manual").
> However there might possibly be a case for moving the Release
> Notes (currently on the main Wiki) into the Manual Wiki, to
> increase its visibility. Not sure if we did that whether we'd
> want to include it in the Manual dump and zip, because it would
> duplicate part of the existing README.
>  
-1.
They should not be in the snapshot of the manual.  That suggests to me
not in the on-line manual either.

--James.


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Re: 2.0 Release

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Cleanspeech is, as somebody said yesterday, not really supported.
However I have added a few words to the manual about the purpose of
those menu commands.  The formatting method looked a bit odd but I
followed what was already there.

HTH
Martyn

Gale Andrews wrote:

> | From Martyn Shaw <[hidden email]>
> | Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:47:49 +0000
> | Subject: [Audacity-devel] 2.0 Release
>> Any others I could help on (that's not a promise to do it ;-))
>
> Do you know what settings the Import/Export presets commands
> under the File Menu relate to (enabled when CleanSpeech is on)?
> Or Richard maybe?  See the editornote div at bottom of:
> http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Interface_Preferences
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> Gale
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>>> http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Recovery
>>> Needs to be written!
>> I suspect that I don't know either, but this isn't a useful link.
>
> Can you force quit in a project so you can get an image on the
> page of the recovery dialogue? That's the best way to start.

I did the image and a few words.  I'm sure that much more could be
added but I'm certainly no expert at this.

Martyn
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Since the Release Notes are subject to change on a continuing basis, my
feeling is that they should stay on the main Wiki page but there should be a
hypertext link from the manual to that section of the main Wiki. This way,
if someone downloads Audacity in January and reads the manual from local
storage or online in May the Release Notes will still be current.

--Ed


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gale Andrews [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 3:28 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Audacity-devel] 2.0 Release
>
>
> Further to Ed asking if the maximum number of project windows should be
> documented in the Manual,  Bill asked me off list whether some pages in
the
> Manual should note current bugs relevant to that page. My view is not. The
> Release Notes is the place for that.
>
> However there might possibly be a case for moving the Release Notes
> (currently on the main Wiki) into the Manual Wiki, to increase its
visibility.

> Not sure if we did that whether we'd want to include it in the Manual dump
> and zip, because it would duplicate part of the existing README.
>
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> Gale
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gale Andrews [mailto:[hidden email]]
>
> > > http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Recovery
> > > Needs to be written!
> >
> > I suspect that I don't know either, but this isn't a useful link.
>
> Can you force quit in a project so you can get an image on the page of the
> recovery dialogue? That's the best way to start.
>
[   Ed--   ]
I added an image from Windows 7 Basic theme on the discussion page:
http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Talk:Recovery

--Ed


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| From "Ed Musgrove" <[hidden email]>
| Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:37:44 -0800
| Subject: [Audacity-devel] 2.0 Release
> Since the Release Notes are subject to change on a continuing basis, my
> feeling is that they should stay on the main Wiki page but there should be a
> hypertext link from the manual to that section of the main Wiki. This way,
> if someone downloads Audacity in January and reads the manual from local
> storage or online in May the Release Notes will still be current.
>
> --Ed

I'd certainly agree with James it's less messy to keep the
Release Notes off the Manual Wiki, but I would like to get
them more visible longer term.  

I don't see any great problem with a link to Release Notes
in the Manual Sidebar if it's to a static page for Release Notes
(so if somebody still had the offline 2.0.0 Help when 2.0.1 was
out, they could look at the online notes for 2.0.0 and realise
they should upgrade). I guess that link would have to be specially
added to the offline sidebar to make clear it was an online link.

Conceptually (and most work) the neatest might be to access the
README from the Help menu. James and I were discussing off
list if after 2.0 we should group the more advanced logs/tools in
Help menu into a submenu. I'd be fine with losing the Quick Help
menu item in favour of a README link if we had to; the Manual
menu item puts a link to Quick Help straight in front of your eyes
anyway.



Gale

   



> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gale Andrews [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 3:28 AM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Audacity-devel] 2.0 Release
> >
> >
> > Further to Ed asking if the maximum number of project windows should be
> > documented in the Manual,  Bill asked me off list whether some pages in
> the
> > Manual should note current bugs relevant to that page. My view is not. The
> > Release Notes is the place for that.
> >
> > However there might possibly be a case for moving the Release Notes
> > (currently on the main Wiki) into the Manual Wiki, to increase its
> visibility.
> > Not sure if we did that whether we'd want to include it in the Manual dump
> > and zip, because it would duplicate part of the existing README.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Gale

 

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| From Martyn Shaw <[hidden email]>
| Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:54:42 +0000
| Subject: [Audacity-devel] 2.0 Release
> Cleanspeech is, as somebody said yesterday, not really supported.
> However I have added a few words to the manual about the purpose of
> those menu commands.  

Thanks, Martyn. So importing those presets gives you access to extra
saved noise profiles, without overwriting the one that Audacity saves
anyway to the NRP folder when in CleanSpeech mode! I've worked that
into your bit to wrap that up.  


> The formatting method looked a bit odd but I followed what was already
> there.

It looks different to the other spans because you didn't make  File >
Export CleanSpeech Presets...  and File > Import CleanSpeech Presets..
into links. But you couldn't do that anyway because those two menu
items aren't mentioned on the File Menu page.  

Would it make sense Bill to add those two menu items to the File
Menu without any description except "CleanSpeech only", making
that a link to to that part of the Interface preferences? It would save
the visual discrepancy with the spans on that page.



Gale


 

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