[Fwd: Re: Editors Keys on Audacity]
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Martyn Shaw-2
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Went off-list by accident.
Martyn -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Editors Keys on Audacity Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:44:00 +0100 From: Gale Andrews <gale@...> Reply-To: Gale Andrews <gale@...> To: Martyn Shaw <martynshaw99@...> References: <20081006010757.51B3.79ADB3FC@...> <48EA98C7.8050806@...> Hi Martyn You sent this privately to me, so I'm replying privately, but maybe worth keeping it open in the Team? Yes, generally researchers working on accessibility would probably have useful input, and because shortcuts are about workflow as well as accessibility, probably HCI researchers such as Clarisse Sieckenius de Souza: http://www-di.inf.puc-rio.br/~clarisse/english.html who has been doing a formal study of Audacity recently and I think will be giving us some findings. . Should we garner some possible contacts and send an e-mail, or are there forums about these sort of issues where we could invite comments? I'm definitely an amateur here (more than you or David), my only input can be about what I would find useful personally, and what I think "general user" opinions are likely to be. I do think we are somewhat constrained by time to change shortcuts much in the short term, by OS differences, and by what we have now that people are used to (even if some specialist advised us to tear everything up and start again from scratch, would we do it?). Gale | From Martyn Shaw <martynshaw99@...> | Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:01:27 +0100 | Subject: Editors Keys on Audacity | > > > Gale Andrews wrote: > ... > >> But it does beg the much deeper question of design and stability of > >> keyboard shortcuts. There have been a number of 'ad hoc' > >> ideas/changes made/discussed in the time I've been here (and I've been > >> involved in some of those) but I certainly don't have any expertise in > >> this area. Who does? Users? Blind users? Users of other apps? > >> Users in non-english? If it's important to us then maybe there should > >> be a group to review and resolve these issues, including the > >> aforementioned, and others. How would that work? > > > > Exactly. I think someone like David Bailes has expertise here, and there > > were quite a few ideas that both he and I liked in discussions earlier > > in the year, but they still need a consensus amongst us to make the > > changes, and some required actual coding rather than merely changing > > a string. As those discussions showed, making something consistent > > in one way could break existing consistency in another. > > I'm not at all sure that's what I meant. Whilst Gale and David have > opinions which I respect, do they have qualifications, research or > experience in this area? Perhaps we should be searching for expertise > from outside our limited team. For example people interested in > http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2008/WD-ATAG20-20080929/WD-ATAG20-20080929 > and wanting to make contributions to OS software. Research students > and their supervisors? (That's how Audacity started, after all.) And > I don't mean ones interested in coding, rather those interested in > human factors. > > > We could for example have a Wiki page to propose changes and discuss > > them. I had copied some of our devel list discussions with the aim of > > doing it, but I don't think we really (have time to) see this as a huge > > priority, given much of it works fairly well now. I guess all of us have > > some things we would like to change (contraction/expansion of selection > > regions being one that annoys me). > > Yes, but let's get the right people into the discussion, not amateurs > like you and me. > > Martyn > > > Gale > > > > > > > >> Gale Andrews wrote: > >>> Hi Mark > >>> > >>> Thank you for your response. A co-branded product with Audacity logo, > >>> sold in Audacity Store as a joint venture, seems fine to me, but I am > >>> forwarding to our Team address for further comments. I would > >>> expect the majority of AudacityStore customers are in USA, and you > >>> are in the UK, so that would have to be worked out. > >>> > >>> Am I right in thinking then that on our keyboard, the F1 key would > >>> have an image of Selection Tool, and F2 the Envelope Tool, and so on? > >>> And are these images stuck on by the user, or is the finished key made > >>> with these images? > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> Gale > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> | From Mark Brown <mark.b@...> > >>> | Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:50:57 +0100 > >>> | Subject: Editors Keys on Audacity > >>>> Normally we create the sets as a third party and resell them on the > >>>> Editors Keys site. Although, we are happy to make an exception and we > >>>> could cobrand a set with you, which we could market as a joint venture > >>>> between us, to help keep you Audacity Logo's and everything on the > >>>> product. This would make it much easier for you to sell in your web- > >>>> store and market to your mail lists. > >>>> > >>>> If you would like us to create this for you, please speak to your team > >>>> and let me know, i'd be more than happy to have our company create a > >>>> special set for you. > >>>> (If it helps we could also drop ship the products for you, so for > >>>> example if you take an order on your site, we can sent it out for you, > >>>> and just invoice you once a month for example.) > >>>> > >>>> Some kind of banner or link would be great as we're always looking for > >>>> new ways of promotion. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Many Thanks, > >>>> Mark Brown > >>>> Sales Manager > >>>> www.editorskeys.com > >>>> mark.b@... > >>> > >>>> On 1 Oct 2008, at 19:59, Gale Andrews wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> | From Mark Brown > >>>>> | Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:29:14 +0100 > >>>>> | Subject: Editors Keys on Audacity > >>>>>> I wanted to contact you directly to see if we could support your > >>>>>> software in two ways. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> First of all i'd like to know if we could pay monthly to have a > >>>>>> banner > >>>>>> for our website at the top of your website? (We're > >>>>>> www.editorskeys.com > >>>>>> and specialize in audio editing, video and design keyboards and > >>>>>> training dvds) > >>>>> Our normal policy is not to allow banner advertising on our main site. > >>>>> I've Cc'd to our Team, but we'll have to consider it in context with > >>>>> your second suggestion below. A "news" item at the time of launching > >>>>> an "Audacity" keyboard, along with a link to it might be possible. > >>>>> > >>>>> We also have a "link exchange" page on our user-editable Wiki, where > >>>>> you > >>>>> could post a plain text link to your site, in exchange for a link to > >>>>> Audacity on > >>>>> your site. This could be done now without further discussion: > >>>>> http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php > >>>>> > >>>>> (This site is not currently responding - you may have to try later). > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> The second is to create a keyboard set for your program and carry it > >>>>>> on the Editors Keys site, which you could also resell if you wish to > >>>>>> help support your developers team. > >>>>> Again, this is something we would have to discuss as a Team - would > >>>>> this be an Audacity branded product, and for Windows? For example, > >>>>> it could possibly be sold in http://audacitystore.com/ with a discreet > >>>>> advertisement for your site. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Gale > >>>>> Audacity Team > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ _______________________________________________ audacity-devel mailing list audacity-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-devel |
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